Elements art class; any interest?

[bored_ninja777]

well for the council to not be doing its job shouldnt that mean new ppl should take their place to actually do their job?

[Dragoon1140]

This will be my last post relating to the Council, to avoid a derail of this thread.

well for the council to not be doing its job shouldnt that mean new ppl should take their place to actually do their job?

I think people misunderstood my post.  The Council isn't responsible for this class surfacing, it is just responsible for handing out new titles and mod powers to make this class easier to run.  I made the joke about Council earlier because vrt was stating that Council didn't post about the subject in a while, and I responded with my post.  I meant absolutely no blame to be put on Council for the class not starting yet.

[EmeraldTiger]

The art i have done i figured out how to do on my own. i am no expert at it and i have limited tools. i don't know i pixlr or gimp have the capabilities that Photoshop does. If someone decides to lead this, it is my opinion that people using this class should have the same program. I'm sure not every one can afford to buy Photoshop. Gimp has more features than pixlr. So everyone that wants to join the art class downloads gimp, things should go smoother. If gimp is the program to use, it is in my opinion that the leader of the art class study every feature of gimp take note of everything. Then with the notes design a lesson plan. The first phase of the lessons would be going though the program as a whole, menu by menu. some of the basic art lessons would be using each tool. layer and image manipulation would be a lesson or two. color affects would be a lesson. The filters would have to be broken down into a few lessons.

[asymmetry]

Plan B: everyone downloads photoshop's 30 day trial and the classes covering the main aspects of the program are covered in that timelapse.
I can guarantee you once you know how to work with layers and stuff, you learn it for good, the only thing that varies in most photo-manipulation programs is the user interface (how to get there). The mechanic is always present.

[bored_ninja777]

i see.. well i have been kinda gone lately but check in once in while when im not too busy doing other things. Most of my card ideas were shot down in crucible.. 1 keeps getting voted to first and some new card keeps overtaking it which is annoying and i was waiting for these classes forever now. council or not i think it should start soon b4 i cant even do it anymore. job hunting + working = not much free time

[Kamietsu]

Plan B: everyone downloads photoshop's 30 day trial and the classes covering the main aspects of the program are covered in that timelapse.
I can guarantee you once you know how to work with layers and stuff, you learn it for good, the only thing that varies in most photo-manipulation programs is the user interface (how to get there). The mechanic is always present.

Love that idea. I could even help some since I am somewhat decent to intermediate in photoshop. I at least know some of the basics, but would like to work along side someone to help teach those basics since I'm not confident in my teaching skills. Plus, I do things my own way with some things that are a bit more complex than normal ^^;

[Scaredgirl]

We have to remember that using Photoshop and doing art are two totally different things. Even though you had used Photoshop for 10 years, that doesn't necessarily mean you can draw art, and it seems to me that this project is more about doing art than learning to use Photoshop.

Then again learning the basics of Photoshop is of course where we should start, and while we are waiting for vrt to make a glorious return, we could start this project with Photoshop basics.

Just have one volunteer to become a Photoshop "teacher" who starts maybe 6 lessons (topics), one by one. Each lesson would have one main topic like for example layers. At the end of the lesson, students are required to post their "homework".

Short version: Teachers starts a new post with a simple Photoshop tutorial. Students read the tutorial, produce that "homework" image, and post that image on the topic.

Then when it comes time to start the art thing, there's already some Photoshop knowledge among the students, which enables them to move directly to drawing stuff.


Example lesson plan (made in 3 minutes):

LESSON 1: New Image + Saving an Image
LESSON 2: Painting Tools
LESSON 3: Other Tools
LESSON 4: Adding Layers
LESSON 5: Image Adjustments
LESSON 6: Adding Effects


Something like that. Won't make you Photoshop wizard, but would give you a good solid foundation relatively fast.

It would be cool to have a big Photoshop Class and Art Class, and a person that finished both, "graduates" and gets a forum award icon.

[Kamietsu]

We have to remember that using Photoshop and doing art are two totally different things. Even though you had used Photoshop for 10 years, that doesn't necessarily mean you can draw art, and it seems to me that this project is more about doing art than learning to use Photoshop.

Then again learning the basics of Photoshop is of course where we should start, and while we are waiting for vrt to make a glorious return, we could start this project with Photoshop basics.

Just have one volunteer to become a Photoshop "teacher" who starts maybe 6 lessons (topics), one by one. Each lesson would have one main topic like for example layers. At the end of the lesson, students are required to post their "homework".

Short version: Teachers starts a new post with a simple Photoshop tutorial. Students read the tutorial, produce that "homework" image, and post that image on the topic.

Then when it comes time to start the art thing, there's already some Photoshop knowledge among the students, which enables them to move directly to drawing stuff.


Example lesson plan (made in 3 minutes):

LESSON 1: New Image + Saving an Image
LESSON 2: Painting Tools
LESSON 3: Other Tools
LESSON 4: Adding Layers
LESSON 5: Image Adjustments
LESSON 6: Adding Effects


Something like that. Won't make you Photoshop wizard, but would give you a good solid foundation relatively fast.

It would be cool to have a big Photoshop Class and Art Class, and a person that finished both, "graduates" and gets a forum award icon.

That sounds like a great idea, and possible something even I could do. I have the free time to do such, though I can't say how good they would be, but anywhere that seems confusing I can always provide screenshots to help everyone out.

[vrt]

Art class will not be about the tools you use. I can give anyone a basic instruction in any common art program out there, but that entirely defeats the point of this class.

[Krava]

I must say that i vote in favor of Vrt arguments. There is lots of awesome tutorials on photoshop and other programs, but nice art class... with feedback and tutoring from professionals...

Priceless...

We could do photoshop or any other program tutorials while we wait for art class to start but lets not confuse it with art class...

[AnonymousRevival]

Perhaps, there should be another class............maybe?

[asymmetry]

Thumbs up vrt/Krava, let's stay on-topic then :b

Photoshop classes should have their own discussion thread then.