Card Frames without Images - Important!

[Kuroaitou]

VS.

After thinking about this, I wanted to know your opinion on the issue: do you think cards should be allowed into the Crucible without any source of artwork? Or do you think that they should, provided permissions/etc.?

Here's a list of Pros and Cons of each:

Concept	PROS	CONS
No Card art (just the card frame)	Allows people to submit their card ideas to the crucible easier Avoids issues of copyright and potential art stealing Voting issues may dissolve based on aesthetic variables May lower art request spam in Card Art forum	Extreme possibility of Crucible/Card Design Competitions overflowing with ideas from everyone, even with table/card frame requirements May weaken interest in the CIA forums overall due to lack of visual attractions May weaken art requests and innovation due to lack of motivation to do art (why bother making artwork for a card that doesn't need it to begin with to level up?)
Card art (as it is now)	Assists in filtering out ideas that don't have the fulfilled requirements to level up (card image) Teaches people about art usage for card ideas Provides members something visual to look at (not just a card frame, but the actual art itself) Motivates card creators to either search or make for their own art to advance the idea as much as possible	May slow down Curating/leveling process if artwork source is not defined or improperly taken Voting still affected in the Crucible from aesthetic variables Card Art child board will still get several spam posts of art requests

If you have something to add to the PROS or CONS of these lists, state so in your post.

The major point is this - we can allow more card ideas to enter the Leveling system without art (makes the job easier for Curators to move stuff up), but at the same time, the logistics of moving all these cards and managing the inflow of cards ideas would be greater than the outflow. In other words, if card art wasn't required, a new process would be needed to handle the likely outcome of more ideas entering the Crucible/Forge/Armory than there are voters.

Simultaneously, with art, the requirements will assist in filtering 'uncompleted' ideas and also provide meaning to the Card Art forum (art classes, request topic, other card art tributes, etc.). With artwork, the process wouldn't have to be changed (as it is now), as cards move up at a reasonable pace throughout each level, all the while giving creators a chance to tweak their idea again if it fails to move up in time (you can redo archive ideas and resubmit them). Of course, people will still have issues of either 'finding' that perfect image, using artwork that shouldn't be used, etc.


Questions, comments, suggestions are welcome. Depending on how the vote goes, this topic will be locked and action will be taken accordingly based on members' opinions.

[TimerClock14]

perhaps have each individual idea (that is in smithy) put up poll:
example:
Do you like this idea?

• yes
• no

just that simple?

I say we should allow cards w/out art to enter crucible, card ideas without art are just as valuable as ideas with art.

[Ryli]

I agree with TimerClock. More cards in the crucible and up gives more ideas for zanz to work with. Art can be found later if he decides he likes the card idea.

[Tom Chunata]

I didn't click other, but I'd like to explain my choice. If it doesn't have art, zanz will have to do it out of his own mind. Unless the idea was really Awesome I don't think that without a picture, it should be taken seriously. May I however, suggest another set of child boards, one with pictures, one without.

[EmeraldTiger]

my thought here is sure let them go into crucible without art, but if the idea gets high enough votes to move to the next level set idea into a separate area awaiting art. The idea is given a time limit to get art. After time has expired if idea does not have art, Curator should decide what to do with idea. the options would be 1.send back to smithy. 2. send back to vote. 3. extend art waiting time.

I also have a question, "How many serious active artists do we have?"

Some what Ninja'd

[TheCrazyMango]

the problem i think that might happen if you have to have "art", is people might just post white as their picture

[Kuroaitou]

the problem i think that might happen if you have to have "art", is people might just post white as their picture

I don't understand this argument. Posting a white blank picture is one thing, but not posting anything (card frame included) as a visual appeal is very different in comparison.

I've been receiving a few other private opinions regarding the matter, and I realized this; check the CIA's history on like, page 57 or something. The time way before card images came onto the forum (which was before the tables). I realized that the CIA forums were not only chaotic, but also just as inactive and 'unappealing' then, because everyone simply stated a few words for a card mechanic and just let the idea sit there without anything to entice discussion. Cards with art greatly assisted with that, and overtime, people were able to create several card ideas in a visual forum to enhance this overall board.

[snip]
I say we should allow cards w/out art to enter crucible, card ideas without art are just as valuable as ideas with art.

I understand where you're coming from, but the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to see why people would find an card-artless board as uninspiring as one with art. It may be tough to find a good image or creating artwork to serve that purpose, but then again, be honest: how many ideas would you be able to create by skipping the art altogether? How many of them would actually attract attention/posts from others without art?

Anyway, I'm going to make another sticky on the Archive forums soon regarding 'card revival', to ensure that old ideas don't have to be completely discarded.

[Kuroaitou]

After taking a look at the votes and getting opinions both in and out of chat, I've decided that we should stick with what we have now and keep card with art as a mandatory requirement for the Crucible. This way, we won't 'regress' to previous times before tables/card images existed, and the Crucible (and other levels) won't be overflowing with ideas.

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