Vampire skill and Elemental Master reward [Not a bug]

[doume]

Hi, with v1.293 I get less Elemental Master Rewards.

My creatures have vampire skill, and, in some case, should end my opponent (level 3) fulling my HP to max. But it doesn't work anymore.

I even witness one time where I had 100 HP credited, but no Element Master Reward.


That's just a minor bug : you get less money, but you you get your win.

[willng3]

About the best explanation I can give you is that it was changed in the last update to:

1.293:
P.S. : In a computer program things never happen "at the same time".

Either

<New version>
1. deal damage
2. win

or

<Old version>
1. deal damage
2. heal
3. win

1. deal damage & heal
2. win

Is not an option.

[oblivion1212]

this does mean goodbye to ye old 1-hit-ko chimera right?

[BluePriest]

this does mean goodbye to ye old 1-hit-ko chimera right?

Yep. Pretty much.

[ddevans96]

Goodbye? Not really, it just can't EM any more.

[automeris]

I am winning games against false gods with 100 life (full, nothing done to increase my life total) and not getting mastery.  I am getting somewhere in the range of 61 to 67 coin for those wins, though, before accounting for anything I might make from a spin.  Before, you could get up to 59 gold if you didn't have full life, and then you would get 120 gold if you did, so there is something more going on here.

In most of these games, I am facing a weapon and a slew of negative power creatures, and need to heal 8 damage at most (if the weapon is Titan). I heal to 100 life on his turn, but before he dies, by specifically *not* using the vampire effect on his early negative power creatures, so I heal from them enough to put me at 100, and then he starts taking damage later on when I am already at 100 life, and he dies before his weapon gets a chance to hit me.

In none of these cases do I heal anything from the creature that kills him; I am already at 100 life by then, or I would just put it down to the order things happen in.

So there is no question about what order things should happen in, I am at 100 life and he is at 20 or something, then he goes down to zero without my taking any damage, and the game ends, and I get my spins, and some strange number of coin between 60 and 70.

[furballdn]

I am winning games against false gods with 100 life (full, nothing done to increase my life total) and not getting mastery.  I am getting somewhere in the range of 61 to 67 coin for those wins, though, before accounting for anything I might make from a spin.  Before, you could get up to 59 gold if you didn't have full life, and then you would get 120 gold if you did, so there is something more going on here.

In most of these games, I am facing a weapon and a slew of negative power creatures, and need to heal 8 damage at most (if the weapon is Titan). I heal to 100 life on his turn, but before he dies, by specifically *not* using the vampire effect on his early negative power creatures, so I heal from them enough to put me at 100, and then he starts taking damage later on when I am already at 100 life, and he dies before his weapon gets a chance to hit me.

In none of these cases do I heal anything from the creature that kills him; I am already at 100 life by then, or I would just put it down to the order things happen in.

So there is no question about what order things should happen in, I am at 100 life and he is at 20 or something, then he goes down to zero without my taking any damage, and the game ends, and I get my spins, and some strange number of coin between 60 and 70.

If the game suddenly ends and your opponent didn't take damage, they might've just ran out of cards to use.

[Ekki]

I am winning games against false gods with 100 life (full, nothing done to increase my life total) and not getting mastery.  I am getting somewhere in the range of 61 to 67 coin for those wins, though, before accounting for anything I might make from a spin.  Before, you could get up to 59 gold if you didn't have full life, and then you would get 120 gold if you did, so there is something more going on here.

In most of these games, I am facing a weapon and a slew of negative power creatures, and need to heal 8 damage at most (if the weapon is Titan). I heal to 100 life on his turn, but before he dies, by specifically *not* using the vampire effect on his early negative power creatures, so I heal from them enough to put me at 100, and then he starts taking damage later on when I am already at 100 life, and he dies before his weapon gets a chance to hit me.

In none of these cases do I heal anything from the creature that kills him; I am already at 100 life by then, or I would just put it down to the order things happen in.

So there is no question about what order things should happen in, I am at 100 life and he is at 20 or something, then he goes down to zero without my taking any damage, and the game ends, and I get my spins, and some strange number of coin between 60 and 70.

Yeah, read about this before. Also saw that pic of a non-EM victory against AI3 while winning 20 (max before EM is 19). So I guess it does heal, maybe after killing the enemy, and then it counts the hp.
Somehting like:
Damage
Win
Heal
End Game Screen + Counts hp for coins (this ones in any order)

[Zso_Zso]

This happens to me too regularly when I use my Antimatter + Liquid shadow deck using nymphs to put those on all enemy creatures. I usually end the game with maximum (100) HP but never get the Elemental Master reward. I believe it is due to the fact that the game ends during the enemy turn as he is killing himself with the AM+LS creatures and the EM check is not done in that case, only if the game ends on the player's turn.

[automeris]

I have been trying to figure out what was going on with this bug, but mostly I have just not been playing my Ready and Waiting deck.

I had suspected that there might have been a change, and if there were any potential damage to you that might eliminate mastery, you only got a regular win.  That cannot be the case, though

I just played a game against Neptune where I ended my turn with 100 life.  He had only creatures with negative attack, some of them vampired, and a frozen weapon.  Nothing that could conceivably deal me damage.  He did nothing but play pillars (or maybe pendula), then ended his turn and died from his creatures damaging him.  I got 61 gold plus some from the spin.

In this case, the bug has nothing to do with the timing of my healing or when the game ended, so when Mastery is checked for is irrelevant.  If mastery is checked for at any point, I should gain mastery.  I didn't heal.  I just didn't take any damage, started at 100, ended at 100, was at 100 the entire time, and didn't get mastery.

I did spin a Shockwave, which is wonderful consolation for the missing 59 gold, but a bug is a bug, and this one is very annoying in that it significantly reduces my enjoyment of one of my favorite decks.  I find myself instead playing a different deck against the Half-Bloods more often because it is more fun to play, even though I don't get so many upped cards from spins.  Being frustrated when I lose because of a bad draw is one thing, but if I am frustrated when I win, even if I spin something, then I am just going to be frustrated all the time, and might as well do something more enjoyable.

Someone should figure out a way to check whether an opponent killing himself by damage during his own turn in other ways (say bolting himself or damaging your Voodoo Doll) also deprives you of mastery since the 1.2.9.3 update.  An opponent losing during his own turn by decking out still gives mastery, I think.  I ended a game against Lionheart by deckout with 500/500 life, (Thank you, Oracle), and got all the coin I was entitled to.

[bogtro]

Apparently the game will not register you healing to max HP when you hit with Vampire, but it will register you going over max HP, and give you money based on 105/100 (or whatever), with no EM as Current HP!=Full HP.

E.G. If you have 96 HP, and hit with a 4|3 Vampire to win the game, no EM. If you have 100 HP, and hit with a 4|3 Vampire to win the game, no EM.

This also apparently happens with other healing sources, such as Druidic Staff (or, in my most recent case, an adrenalined crusader that had previously endowed a jade staff).