Quintessence and Freeze Effects

[travisjhall]

When a creature which has been frozen (by Congeal, Freeze skill or the like) has Quintessence cast upon it, the ice (visual effect) on it shatters, but it remains frozen until the freeze effect wears off normally. I doubt the effect is supposed to remain in place while the visual indication of it is removed.

[zhen_rogue]

Noticed this bug as well.
I'm not sure which scenario is correct:
1. Freeze effect is SUPPOSED to be broken by Quintessence, in which case this is not happening (functional bug).
2. Freeze effect is NOT SUPPOSED to be broken by Quintessence, in which case this is happening, but the freeze graphic is lost when Quintessence is played on the frozen creature (aesthetic bug).

Bug is confirmed on Elite Otyughs, with Congeal and Quintessence - 100% repeatable v. AI in T50 matchups.

[Delreich]

Happens (or at least used to) with anubis as well. Presumably it's only an aesthetic bug, i.e. it's the graphics going away that's the bug.

[Daxx]

Adding to "potentially a bug".

[travisjhall]

Further to this issue, since I've been playing a deck with Freeze in it, I've noticed another problem.

When the AI plays Quintessence on a frozen creature, the ice shatters and the creature becomes active again immediately. This is different to what happens when I play Quintessence on a frozen creature, as described above. The behaviour and the visuals are in sync for the AI; the behaviour is different but the visuals are the same for me.

It is also possible that the same effect has been observed in PvP and been dismissed as desync.

[jmizzle7]

Further to this issue, since I've been playing a deck with Freeze in it, I've noticed another problem.

When the AI plays Quintessence on a frozen creature, the ice shatters and the creature becomes active again immediately. This is different to what happens when I play Quintessence on a frozen creature, as described above. The behaviour and the visuals are in sync for the AI; the behaviour is different but the visuals are the same for me.

It is also possible that the same effect has been observed in PvP and been dismissed as desync.

I have actually tested this and it appears that Zanz has fixed the code so Quintessence and Anubis' ability completely remove frozen status for any creature. It doesn't matter which side it is on.

[travisjhall]

I have actually tested this and it appears that Zanz has fixed the code so Quintessence and Anubis' ability completely remove frozen status for any creature. It doesn't matter which side it is on.

Huh. I assumed that since the version was still 1.17, there hadn't been a fix at all. Well, I'll have to stop crippling my play by not Quintessencing frozen creatures when I've got Quintessence in my deck.

[travisjhall]

I have actually tested this and it appears that Zanz has fixed the code so Quintessence and Anubis' ability completely remove frozen status for any creature. It doesn't matter which side it is on.

Apparently not. When I happened to find myself holding Quintessence with a frozen creature on the table, I tried this again. It had the same effect described in my original post - the frozen visual effect went away, but the creature was still not available for use.

[jmizzle7]

Questions to be answered... Are you playing on the official game site? If not, what site are you playing on? Have you tried clearing your cache and restarting your browser?

It sounds like a problem on your end, because I can still thaw out my creatures with Quintessence.

[Delreich]

It sounds like a problem on your end, because I can still thaw out my creatures with Quintessence.

Can you use their ability that turn? I couldn't, if I recall correctly.
I think that's what travis is seeing and interpreting as it not being thawed.

[travisjhall]

Can you use their ability that turn? I couldn't, if I recall correctly.
I think that's what travis is seeing and interpreting as it not being thawed.

Yes, that's precisely what I mean.

I don't think creatures normally do damage on the turn they become unfrozen, do they? Do they do damage immediately after being unfrozen by Quintessence?

Maybe the thawed creature is supposed to be regarded as having just entered play, so can do damage but can't use activated abilities.

[jmizzle7]

Well if your creature damages the opponent immediately after you cast Quintessence on it, that means it isn't frozen anymore. It can use its ability the following turn.