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Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71136#msg71136
« on: May 19, 2010, 11:48:25 am »
I've searched for a topic dealing with this "problem" and I don't know if it's really a bug or if it should be like this:

If you have played the Emerald or Refective shild and your opponent plays the card poison you get poisoned. I my opinion "poison" is a spell like fire bold, icebold or drain life and should be reflected. But it isn't...


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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71137#msg71137
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 12:05:11 pm »
It only reflects direct damage spells like fire bolt, lightning, unstable gas, etc.
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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71142#msg71142
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 12:32:55 pm »
Or healing as in Holy Light.

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71146#msg71146
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 12:56:43 pm »
On a separate note I have an issue with antimattered pufferfishes dealing poison damage.

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71150#msg71150
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 01:04:21 pm »
Isn't it a bit inconsequent that poison is not reflected? 


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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71151#msg71151
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 01:08:53 pm »
If you have played the Emerald or Refective shild and your opponent plays the card poison you get poisoned. I my opinion "poison" is a spell like fire bold, icebold or drain life and should be reflected. But it isn't...
Unfortunately many cards in this game don't do exactly what they say they do... The two shields currently reflect all direct damage spells and the damage to the player from Unstable Gas. Also note that once damage is reflected of a shield it bypasses the opponent's shield.
Or healing as in Holy Light.
Holy Light is no longer reflected (at least not in the trainer).
On a separate note I have an issue with antimattered pufferfishes dealing poison damage.
Shouldn't they?

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71160#msg71160
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2010, 02:25:18 pm »
Shouldn't they?
I would argue against on two grounds:

         1. Antimatter is designed to neutralize and reverse the attack power of a creature
         2. An attack which heals your opponent should not fall under the definition of a successful attack

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71613#msg71613
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2010, 06:47:09 am »
Shouldn't they?
I would argue against on two grounds:

         1. Antimatter is designed to neutralize and reverse the attack power of a creature
         2. An attack which heals your opponent should not fall under the definition of a successful attack
I think of pufferfish's ability as just contact. Though it is healing you, it's still making some type of contact. So you still get poisoned.
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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71637#msg71637
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2010, 07:12:41 am »
A successful attack is one that hits the opponent. Since antimatter causes creatures to heal through most shields, these creatures are said to attack successfully through most shields. I personally believe that attacks less than zero need to be handled exactly like positive attacks would. It doesn't make sense that a creature can "hit" your opponent through a huge bone wall or a massive Dissipation Field just because it "heals" your opponent.

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71659#msg71659
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2010, 08:03:59 am »
yes, because it is not said that antimatter gives momentum ability as well. Whole antimatter behavior is bad i think.
"Invert the attack power of the target creature (the creature inflict heals instead of damage)" this should mean that if creature can´t do damage, it can´t heal either. I think that removing momentum ability from antimatter would solve all the antimatter problems (except the ones with delay). But i dont know in which way it is programmed, so maybe it is not antimatters behaviour but shields behaviour, and if it is, then denying it from penetrating shields would be lot of work to implement


EDIT: Sorry, now i see we moved a bit from original topic. Simple explanation for reflective shield not reflecting poison is that reflective shield reflects spells that are TARGETED on you. But if you add poison you dont have to click on player, you simply cast it

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71833#msg71833
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2010, 04:05:50 pm »
If you cast the unstable gas, you also don't target the player - you just click on the card....

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Re: Poison not reflected by Emerald/Refective shild https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6690.msg71885#msg71885
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2010, 07:14:57 pm »
If you have played the Emerald or Refective shild and your opponent plays the card poison you get poisoned. I my opinion "poison" is a spell like fire bold, icebold or drain life and should be reflected. But it isn't...
As i stated in another thread concerning this exact topic it would make puffer fish and arsenics considerably weaker. Since both of those cards do not "cast" spells you would have no way of not damaging yourself.

 

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