Maxwell's demon bug

[crusader2010]

An AI-controlled Maxwell demon can target a Golden dragon with its ability. Since the dragon's stats are 10/10 and the tooltip on the demon is about destroying creatures with (attack > defense) (not equal), i believe it to be a bug. More so, the demon never targeted other creatures that had equal attack and defense (like deja vus or 2/2 scarabs).

I believe there is also a bug with cancelling some abilities, as in they do not return the quanta used. Some do, some don't. Not sure if it's something general (i.e. creature active abilities do not return quantas, while other card abilities do), but one example is the scarab devour ability.

Also, is it intended for the creature to disappear when cancelling the ability of the Virus card?

[neuroleptics]

I'm sure this isn't a bug. Read carefully, golden dragon you say? There are only devonian and silurian that are golden and their stats are 10 I 5 and 13 I 4 . Otherwise, only      's can't be targeted by maxwell.

This is however true only if you haven't buff them.

Sorry, oh ya, the golden dragon in , i got confused as you mention deja vu, scarab......  all the time cards, forgot about

[Leodip]

I'm sure this isn't a bug. Read carefully, golden dragon you say? There are only devonian and silurian that are golden and their stats are 10 I 5 and 13 I 4 . Otherwise, only      's can't be targeted by maxwell.

This is however true only if you haven't buff them.

He meant the Dragon from  , the 10|10 one.

As for the bugs, none of those ever happened to me, and I think they'd be even pretty hard to try, aside the maxwell's one.
The quanta returning one, instead, is a simple game mechanic. If the card's skill you want to use is on the field, it'll give back your quanta, if it's in hand and you cancel it, you won't lose anything.

[crusader2010]

If the card's skill you want to use is on the field, it'll give back your quanta, if it's in hand and you cancel it, you won't lose anything.

So basically i should get the quantas back no matter where the card is? if so, then it doesn't happen with certain abilities like the "devour" from scarabs (when i cancel the ability)  may be something related to targeted creature abilities that can also affect enemies. Too bad i can't test this with creatures having Adrenaline or Mutation.

[kaempfer13]

off: canceling abilities of creatures/ permanents on the field will not refund you quanta and causes summoning sickness.
ontopic: Did the dragon die? If not then this isnt really a bug; as far as i know you can target anything, but only creatures with higher attack than defense actually die.

[crusader2010]

The dragon died otherwise i wouldn't have posted... and i think the AI can't be that silly to target a creature when the ability won't do anything.

[dawn to dusk]

You used to be returned the quanta when canceling abilities but some people found an exploit involving that which would give them infinite quanta. Because of that, Zanz made it so you don't get your quanta back

[neuroleptics]

An AI-controlled Maxwell demon can target a Golden dragon with its ability. Since the dragon's stats are 10/10 and the tooltip on the demon is about destroying creatures with (attack > defense) (not equal), i believe it to be a bug. More so, the demon never targeted other creatures that had equal attack and defense (like deja vus or 2/2 scarabs).

I believe there is also a bug with cancelling some abilities, as in they do not return the quanta used. Some do, some don't. Not sure if it's something general (i.e. creature active abilities do not return quantas, while other card abilities do), but one example is the scarab devour ability.

Also, is it intended for the creature to disappear when cancelling the ability of the Virus card?

sorry about that earlier, i hadn't time to check. However regarding your question on abilities, maybe you could list down and better still a picture.
The abilities of creatures on field when used, or weapons, whether or not you target, is supposed to be consumed. Yes, they DON'T return. Unless it's your hand cards, they will return. The  creature is intended to be so, it'll disappear once activated.

[crusader2010]

I forgot one more bug. Some weapons don't deal the extra damage (like the short bow, dagger). These 2 are the ones i know about. But this bug does NOT occur when they are used by the AI.

@neuroleptics: if the quantas are not supposed to be returned from creature abilities when cancelled, then this one is not a bug. As i have seen they are refunded only from cards from your hand.

[Leodip]

If the card's skill you want to use is on the field, it'll give back your quanta, if it's in hand and you cancel it, you won't lose anything.

So basically i should get the quantas back no matter where the card is? if so, then it doesn't happen with certain abilities like the "devour" from scarabs (when i cancel the ability)  may be something related to targeted creature abilities that can also affect enemies. Too bad i can't test this with creatures having Adrenaline or Mutation.

Sorry, meant "it won't give back your quanta".

@Dawn to dusk, out of curiosity, how did that loop work?

[ColorlessGreen]

@Dawn to dusk, out of curiosity, how did that loop work?

Clicking and cancelling while lagged (or just generally being faster than the server) would IIRC result in basically infinite quanta gain.

To add more clarity regarding abilities: All activated abilities (be they on creatures or permanents) do not provide a refund of any cost involved in the card (be that quanta, the creature's life (in the case of virus), the HP gain (in the case of SoFo), etc). All cards in hand do provide full refunds of all costs if cancelled before being fully played. Both of these items are working properly (though admittedly a bit counterintuitively).


Regarding the maxwells, are you sure he didn't just damage it somehow (e.g. a chaos seed turning into a thunderbolt or whatever) right before using the maxwells?

[crusader2010]

Regarding the maxwells, are you sure he didn't just damage it somehow (e.g. a chaos seed turning into a thunderbolt or whatever) right before using the maxwells?

Nope. The golden dragon appeared from a "fate egg", and when the AI got to do its turn, the maxwell demon just killed it with paradox. So it was one turn after the other; there was no time for the dragon to get damaged by anything (and i'm not playing a deck that focuses on damaging own units).