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Title: Malignat Cell attacking although SoP in play
Post by: faezzi on August 14, 2013, 10:41:44 am

Hello,

I noticed something, of what I am not sure of, whether it is a bug or not. I did not find anything about it in the bug archive, the already posted bugs or somewehere in "Patch Notes and Developement Notes" concerning older versions.

I came to play (a slightly altered version of) the SuperCELL deck mentioned here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,50582.0.html). I found out, that some of the malignant cells DO attack, although I have Shard of Patience in play. I don' t think it is supposed this way. I already read, that cells attack in the moment they are created, if the slot they go to is behind the one from the cell it was created by, but they should not attack at all. Well, ok. Damaging the enemy is not that bad, but another effect of this, is that my cells die from a fireshield, so the deck is nearly useless then.

A cell produced within in the turn (by a afloxed singularity) does not attack unless it gets adrenaline.

Screenshots in spoiler. (Had to use external image as I was not able to attach them directly.)

No adrenalin, the cell in the middle does not attack.

(http://imageshack.com/a/img20/3472/8ujn.png)

Newly created cells die instantly, the cell in the middle does attack also (3 damage because of adrenalin lowering with every hit)

(http://imageshack.com/a/img802/9353/5qdo.png)

Title: Re: Malignat Cell attacking althoug SoP in play
Post by: Leodip on August 14, 2013, 10:52:14 am

Let's start saying that the end of your turn resolves like: SoP stops and buffs creatures, malignant cell spawns, newly spawned cell attacks.
This is why the spawned cells died at fire bucker.
As for Adrenaline, that's a meant behaviour, Adrenaline multiple attacks bypass that single delay. If you want an explanation to this, it should be like the behaviour adrenaline has with Basilisk Blood and Freeze and how SoP works. SoP doesn't work like Sundial, which prevent the attacks from happening, it simply applies a delay for one turn on the targeted creature. An adrenalined creature (let's say Horned Frog, which deals 3+3+3+3 damage) doesn't simply attack more than one time, it gets more turns (pretty much), and thus an Horned Frog Vs. Freeze will result in Horned Frog dealing only 3 damage and fully consuming the Freeze Status. Same happens with SoP, the first attack is absorbed by the only Delay it has, the others go through. This is a pretty good effect for that deck aside from Fire Buckler itself.

Title: Re: Malignat Cell attacking although SoP in play
Post by: faezzi on August 14, 2013, 11:21:05 am

Thanks for that fast answer. :) You do not know, but I am new only to the forum, not the game itself. I already play elements for over three years now. :D Thank you for explaining detailed anyways. Very kind. :) I just did not know, SoP does that one-turn-delay, like for example turtle-shield does and usually I do not use cells in my decks.

I read the description like "creatures do not attack". It is the same on sundial although it says there, that creatures do not attack "for one turn".  So when a creature with adrenaline has 'more turns' it should attack also when sundial is out, but does not. SoP does not say anything about "for one turn". It is permanent. So something is at least strange then, I think. I might understand when it would be the other way round.

edit:

Aaaaaaaaand, when there is no more creature-slot available, the cell with adrenaline does also not attack in turns after it got adrenaline. I tried it with a bone-shield to tell the exact amount. So something IS strange here.

Cells do not attack anymore (ai did not play another shield... the card was a tower):
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/833/vpzm.png)

Adrenaline applied afterwards
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/835/nyeb.png)

A single attack comes through
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/18/rjp4.png)

And no more
(http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/401/0v06.png)

Title: Re: Malignat Cell attacking although SoP in play
Post by: Leodip on August 14, 2013, 01:00:47 pm

Quote from: faezzi on August 14, 2013, 11:21:05 am

Thanks for that fast answer. :) You do not know, but I am new only to the forum, not the game itself. I already play elements for over three years now. :D Thank you for explaining detailed anyways. Very kind. :) I just did not know, SoP does that one-turn-delay, like for example turtle-shield does and usually I do not use cells in my decks.

I read the description like "creatures do not attack". It is the same on sundial although it says there, that creatures do not attack "for one turn".  So when a creature with adrenaline has 'more turns' it should attack also when sundial is out, but does not. SoP does not say anything about "for one turn". It is permanent. So something is at least strange then, I think. I might understand when it would be the other way round.

Never assumed you were a newbie, I have seen lots of users with just 4/5 posts and with 3 years or so of gaming, while I'm here only from April.

As for the rest, yeah, I think they should belong to "what the cards don't tell you". By playing, you probably noticed that SoP applies a delay at the end of your turn which disappears really fastly, even though the text is similar to Sundial's.
As for sundial, instead, that "one turn" is referred to card itself, you could read it as: as long as this card is on the field, creatures don't attack. This card disappears after one turn.
The turns adrenaline gives to the creature are theorical and self-applied, this means it works on statuses applied to the creature itself, but not on something indipendent.

EDIT: just saw your edit. That's pretty basic: the Adrenalined Cell had an ATK of 13 which rose to 15 and then to 17. When a creature has an ATK of 15, it attacks only twice, the original 15 attack, and a second 5 attack. The 5 attack is absorbed, while the 15 didn't even start because of SoP. When a creature surpasses 15 (so 16+) it has no more attacks, it only keeps its base attack. You can simulate Adrenaline here (http://elementscommunity.org/tools/adrenaline/)

Title: Re: Malignat Cell attacking although SoP in play
Post by: faezzi on August 14, 2013, 01:22:35 pm

Oh no... You' re right. :D Never mind, forget what I said. Did not want to bother  ::) Was just so curious to find out, I did not pay attention to the strength itself. Things are clear now. Please remind me to pay you some reputation when I have enough posts :D  :electrum :electrum

Title: Re: Malignat Cell attacking although SoP in play
Post by: Leodip on August 14, 2013, 01:25:44 pm

Quote from: faezzi on August 14, 2013, 01:22:35 pm

Oh no... You' re right. :D Never mind, forget what I said. Did not want to bother  ::) Was just so curious to find out, I did not pay attention to the strength itself. Things are clear now. Please remind me to pay you some reputation when I have enough posts :D  :electrum :electrum

No problem, it happens to confuse about something you know a lot mainly because you indeed know it a lot and are used to it.