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Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464766#msg464766
« on: February 26, 2012, 10:20:39 pm »
As listed above, the shield part does work, but I've yet to see the spell counter work. If it reflects spells against the opponent, I'd like to think that the whole "Reflecting" part might work.

The only way I could see that it might have worked without my noticing is that the spell reflection wasnt included for the creature cards nor the quota. My creatures are always under fire of spells, and so is my quota, it used to be the only shield I used till I had to switch to the carpice due to the reflection just not working at all. If it WASNT meant to reflect spells aimed at the creatures, it would be nice if it stated specifically where the spells have to target to work.

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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464768#msg464768
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 10:23:39 pm »
The only spells reflected are those used against your health. Spells used against your creatures are not reflected anywhere. This is intentional behavior. Not a bug.
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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464769#msg464769
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 10:26:45 pm »
Emerald shield and reflective shield reflect spells directed at you. If the spells are not targeting you, why should your shield stop them? By your logic, weapons should randomly target creatures in addition to your opponent.
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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464786#msg464786
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 11:13:02 pm »
I think the only spells it reflects are direct damage spells.  Fire lance, ice lance, siphon life, thunderbolt, and shockwave.  It does -not- reflect deadly poison, silence, nightmare, or things like that.

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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464792#msg464792
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 11:30:23 pm »
Emerald shield and reflective shield reflect spells directed at you. If the spells are not targeting you, why should your shield stop them? By your logic, weapons should randomly target creatures in addition to your opponent.
By my logic it never specified which exact spells it would reflect nor where the spells were attacking. Since the card didnt specify that it only protected the users hp, why would anyone assume that "reflecting spells" meant only reflecting spells that attack your hp? No where on the card is that apparent. Perhaps you should learn to read before criticizing huh

The only spells reflected are those used against your health. Spells used against your creatures are not reflected anywhere. This is intentional behavior. Not a bug.
Thats fine, but would have been nice had I known that, or had the card specified that it didnt block spells the enemy used unless its a direct attack on the users hp.

I think the only spells it reflects are direct damage spells.  Fire lance, ice lance, siphon life, thunderbolt, and shockwave.  It does -not- reflect deadly poison, silence, nightmare, or things like that.
Status spells I could understand, but allowing spells that dealt damage confused me to no end. Since it never said it didnt protect creatures, and it didnt say that it only protected the user, made for quite the confusing match.

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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464796#msg464796
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 11:43:44 pm »
Emerald shield and reflective shield reflect spells directed at you. If the spells are not targeting you, why should your shield stop them? By your logic, weapons should randomly target creatures in addition to your opponent.
By my logic it never specified which exact spells it would reflect nor where the spells were attacking. Since the card didnt specify that it only protected the users hp, why would anyone assume that "reflecting spells" meant only reflecting spells that attack your hp? No where on the card is that apparent. Perhaps you should learn to read before criticizing huh


One with common sense would assume that a shield wore by a elemental only protected the user. When you wear a shield and you have a friend some steps ahead of you, does your shield protect your friend?

There's something called "Common Sense". If shields worked like you want to, creatures would have a shield slot to themselves. He was trying to pull a quick explanation, which ended up sounding wrong. There ain't no reason t'be so rude nao~

Oh, by the way, cards have a set amount of letters they can have before the text grows too big. If you can somehow fit "spells targeted at yourself back at your opponent" in that card, please tell us! :3

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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464807#msg464807
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 12:47:42 am »
Thank you, Dm, for clarifying my post.

To add detail to my example, the text of every weapon states, at some point, "Deal X damage at the end of every turn." This holds true for every weapon. The text does not state "Deal X damage at the end of every turn to your opponent" - it is unnecessary to specify that, as where else would your weapon strike?

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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464814#msg464814
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 01:25:03 am »
The tone is a little bad in this thread. I agree that emerald shield's text is poorly written, causing confusion for what exactly it reflects. As for your "common sense" one could argue the shield is being worn but emitting a magical reflection field over the entire area of the field. In a high-magic game without plenty of graphical effects conclusions can be difficult to draw and we rely on the text to explain. And the text simply says spells are reflected, which to me means if my opponent uses a spell card that affects my side of the field, its reflected. If this were a physical TCG instead of an online one, that's how I'd play it.

As for formatting text, how about "Shield: reduce damage by 1. Offensive spells targeting you are reflected. Immortal." Or possibly "Protected".
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Re: Emerald Shield not working https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37037.msg464835#msg464835
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 02:39:03 am »
Hmm. I suppose it would be better if it was reworded, but this is one of those things that you learn by experience. Just like sanctuary+diss shield is a bad idea.

 

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