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aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024978#msg1024978
« on: December 23, 2012, 12:36:16 pm »
I noticed this bug (i can't define it in other ways) while playing my aflatoxin-mutation deck.
I was in trouble because i had my field full of malignant cell and i couldn't play my fallen elf, so i played aflatoxin in the top right malignant cell of my field.
The creature died, but no other cell was generated and now i had a free space for a new creature, so the next turn i played my fallen elf from my hand.

I made some tests and i found that this is working even for the opponent field and with anything that can poison the target malignant cell.
I made an example using Liquid Shadow on both my field and the opponent field.

1) First af all I played aflatoxin on both the fields, to stuck the game. Note i have two liquid shadows in hand :
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2) I played liquid shadow on both the top right malignant cell of the two field and poisoned them:
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3) My malignant cell died at the end of my turn, leaving an empty space, than the opponent malignant cell died in his turn, leaving another empty space (i circled them). This shouldn't have happened, because a copy of the other malignant cells in play should have been created:
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4) At my turn i played my fallen elf and started to change the malignant cells into mutants! (well, i won in that turn, but this is for example):
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It's a kind of cheating, isn't it?

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024985#msg1024985
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2012, 12:55:50 pm »


Everything has effect in that order(Well, creatures faster than permanents).
Not a bug.
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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024992#msg1024992
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2012, 01:57:46 pm »
mmm..sorry i can't understand your explanation. Why another cell isn't generated at place 23? If i do the same thing in any other space, a malignant cell is always generated

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024993#msg1024993
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2012, 02:14:43 pm »
mmm..sorry i can't understand your explanation. Why another cell isn't generated at place 23? If i do the same thing in any other space, a malignant cell is always generated

Place 23 is the last place on the creature table. Damage done by that creature is the last damage done by creatures.
Same thing happens to passives.
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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024994#msg1024994
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2012, 02:22:37 pm »
mmm..sorry i can't understand your explanation. Why another cell isn't generated at place 23? If i do the same thing in any other space, a malignant cell is always generated

Effects happen in order. When creature slots 1-22 are "passed", the malignant cell in that slot tries to create a new malignant cell in the next empty spot. However, since creature slot 23 has not passed yet, the poisoned malignant cell in that slot has not died yet, and thus a new malignant cell cannot be made because there are no empty spots. When creature slot 23 is passed, the poisoned malignant cell in that slot dies and then the permanent slots are passed. Because the malignant cell dies after malignant cells are generated, there can only be an empty spot.

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024996#msg1024996
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2012, 02:26:07 pm »
Ok, I understand your point. All the malignant cells attacks and duplicate, but there are no slots available, and when the last one attacks it dies leaving no copy. This make sense. I imagine that aflatoxin doesn't work because it needs another empty different slot to create the malignant cell, and in that case there are no slot available.
You're right, this is not a bug...but it sound like a good trick!

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024997#msg1024997
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2012, 02:32:53 pm »
Oh wait, no, your aflatoxin'd malignant cell doesn't turn into a malignant cell upon death? That does sound like a bug.

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1024998#msg1024998
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2012, 02:38:55 pm »
Oh wait, no, your aflatoxin'd malignant cell doesn't turn into a malignant cell upon death? That does sound like a bug.

I was testing it right now...and yes, it does! When the creature dies, normally a malignant cell appears in the same place, so...something wrong happen when you use aflatoxin
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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1025060#msg1025060
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2012, 07:34:29 pm »
It's fine this way and probably intended. Just like skeletons don't create skeletons when dying with a boneyard in play.

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1025063#msg1025063
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2012, 07:38:18 pm »
It's fine this way and probably intended. Just like skeletons don't create skeletons when dying with a boneyard in play.

No, Afla'd Cells make Cells.

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1025106#msg1025106
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2012, 11:17:29 pm »
No, Afla'd Cells make Cells.

No, they don't.

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Re: aflatoxin doesn't work in the upper-right side malignant cell https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45354.msg1025111#msg1025111
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2012, 11:53:19 pm »
No, Afla'd Cells make Cells.

No, they don't.

I could have sworn they did...

 

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