[Official] Turquoise Nymph | Aether Nymph

[xdude]

I personally would change it's ability to something you can not have with a common card. None of the other nymphs have a normal card that has the same ability (rage, nymph tears, black hole, BB, precog, adrenaline, luciferin, antimatter, aflatoxin, UG and liquid shadow). As it is, Anubis is better so what is the interest of having a turquoise nymph? I'm sure we can have a balanced turquoise nymph that is an interesting card on its own.

Ability won't change. All Nymphs have the same skill as their alchemy card. I think the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill.

[SnoWeb]

Ability won't change. All Nymphs have the same skill as their alchemy card. I think the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill.

Is there just one alchemy card? Aren't TU, Fractal, Silence and thunderbolt also alchemy cards? Anyway, I don't really think that these would be too good abilities for a nymph. If "the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill", then I would go for a change in Anubis skill.

[Kael Hate]

Ability won't change. All Nymphs have the same skill as their alchemy card. I think the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill.

Is there just one alchemy card? Aren't TU, Fractal, Silence and thunderbolt also alchemy cards? Anyway, I don't really think that these would be too good abilities for a nymph. If "the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill", then I would go for a change in Anubis skill.

Quintessence is Aethers 1 and only Alchemy card.

Personally I think we should create a new Alchemy card like the elements got and the Nymph pick up that Ability.

Some ideas...

QuickSilver
- Gain X Quanta matching target permanents type
- Copy Targert Permanent
- Copy Target Creature, with Doomed 2
- Delay Target Creature or Permanent

[TheIdioticIdiot]

Ability won't change. All Nymphs have the same skill as their alchemy card. I think the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill.

Is there just one alchemy card? Aren't TU, Fractal, Silence and thunderbolt also alchemy cards? Anyway, I don't really think that these would be too good abilities for a nymph. If "the change must come in stats, and perhaps to Anubis' skill", then I would go for a change in Anubis skill.

alchemy cards are cards with flasks on them (no kidding, all of them have a container of sorts...)... and they are nymph's abilities, each element has only one alchemy card

also, @Kael Hate, talk about nerf... anti FG will be made pretty hard...

[Kael Hate]

also, @Kael Hate, talk about nerf... anti FG will be made pretty hard...

Explain.

I don't intend to remove Quintessence, just add another to replace it on the Nymph.

[zse]

Nymph cards usage (http://www.elementsthegame.com/liststats.php):

	Un-upped	Upped
	1	1
	2	4
	6	2
	3	9
	5	7
	10	3
	4	10
	9	6
	7	8
	12	5
	8	11
	11	12

http://www.elementsthegame.com/liststats.php
[sarcasm]
This data clearly proves it: Nymph being only the 5th most used un-upped Nymph and the 7th most used upped Nymph needs buffing badly - since clearly nobody is using this at all at the moment.
[/sarcasm]

*edit: couple of errors on list was corrected*

[SnoWeb]

Where do these data come from?

Also from this list:

	Anubis	Turquoise
unupped	22	3
upped	17	1

This shows that for the same use Anubis is more used (probably because it is better).
A common card is better than a nymph ...
We don't say it needs a buff. It needs a change!

[zse]

This shows that for the same use Anubis is more used (probably because it is better).
A common card is better than a nymph ...
We don't say it needs a buff. It needs a change!

Anubis, common card: used more because it is better.
Turquoise Nymph, Ultra-rare card: used less because it is totally useless, and thus needs to be changed.
[/sarcasm]

If Turquoise Nymph is really so bad, and is being totally overshadowed by Anubis, how you explain the fact that and Nymphs are used even less than it.

If this card wasn't used at all, then maybe it should be changed. But since it is already around 5th to 7th most used Nymph, it clearly shows that Turquoise is played in some decks regardless for the fact that it has similar ability than Anubis. Do we really want to see Turquoise Nymph "changed" like Light Nymph was? Do you?

[Ekki]

This shows that for the same use Anubis is more used (probably because it is better).
A common card is better than a nymph ...
We don't say it needs a buff. It needs a change!

Anubis, common card: used more because it is better.
Turquoise Nymph, Ultra-rare card: used less because it is totally useless, and thus needs to be changed.
[/sarcasm]

If Turquoise Nymph is really so bad, and is being totally overshadowed by Anubis, how you explain the fact that and Nymphs are used even less than it.

If this card wasn't used at all, then maybe it should be changed. But since it is already around 5th to 7th most used Nymph, it clearly shows that Turquoise is played in some decks regardless for the fact that it has similar ability than Anubis. Do we really want to see Turquoise Nymph "changed" like Light Nymph was? Do you?

Well, Light Nymph is a bad example, since it's the most used unupped Nymph...

Now about Turquoise... Quintescence is a really used and useful ability, it's obvious that people will use it, so I disagree in the use of numbers to balance. If you look at Quantum Tower you will see that it's 2x more used than the second most used card, but that doesn't mean that it's OP, since it's the best quanta generator for rainbows... Well, Turquoise Nymph fails at quinting. And it's practical. You have to hold a fragile, 8 (or was it 9?) creature for 1 turn to start quinting at a cost of 3 (like upped quint), and you won't need that many quints.
The Nymph is used because quint is a must in most rainbows, but for PvP it's unuseful (balancing happens in PvP, not in PvE). johannhowitzer's deck shows that Nymph's Tears is a good buff for the Nymphs, since a Turquoise Nymph would have been unuseful there, and yet, using quints in that place would have been better IMO.

[Atico]

Well, Light Nymph is a bad example, since it's the most used unupped Nymph...

The most unused Light Nymph has got 12th place

[SnoWeb]

Anubis, common card: used more because it is better.
Turquoise Nymph, Ultra-rare card: used less because it is totally useless, and thus needs to be changed.
[/sarcasm]

If Turquoise Nymph is really so bad, and is being totally overshadowed by Anubis, how you explain the fact that and Nymphs are used even less than it.

If this card wasn't used at all, then maybe it should be changed. But since it is already around 5th to 7th most used Nymph, it clearly shows that Turquoise is played in some decks regardless for the fact that it has similar ability than Anubis. Do we really want to see Turquoise Nymph "changed" like Light Nymph was? Do you?

I'm just expressing my opinion. I can not see any good reason to abuse sarcasm here.

Again I don't know were your data are from. I mean I see the link but nothing is indicated there to how these data were collected. They show that and Nymphs are used even less than . I clearly think that and Nymphs are better than one. My opinion seem to be pointing in a different direction than your numbers. What could explain this discrepancy? As you like numbers, let's have a look at Sir valimont data on the amount of nymph in the community: here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13173.0.html). It shows that the 4 nymphs that are the less present are and . On the contrary, is the fifth. Can we see a pattern here?

Concerning the nymph. I thought the original version was a bit weak. However, it was used by some players in their Rol-Hope. I think it is now better (the card having more personality). They obviously see it as a nerf ... Same facts => Two opinions ...

Again, I don't think a buff on nymph is the solution. I said it, it could generate abuses with nymph tears. Kael's proposition is more in the direction I was looking. Now I'm sure that here again more than one opinion is possible.

[BluePriest]

How it works is every time a card is played there is a 1/1000 chance of it being recorded.  Honestly, when it comes to ultra rare cards though, the data is next to useless since 1)We dont know the spread of hat % of the community has them and 2)Many will use them JUST because they are rare.