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[Official] Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260501#msg260501
« on: January 30, 2011, 01:59:16 pm »


With Skull Shield / Buckler finally getting its well-deserved buff, we should turn our attention to Earth's forgotten shield. Unless we're forced to use this defense, what much use is there? I'm sure it's sufficient in some cases, but, far the most part, there's little incentive for its use. I think it deserves either a -2 cost for both un/upped, or a +2 raise in defense for both un/upped. It's time for this shield to live up to its name! Discuss.
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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260513#msg260513
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 02:22:07 pm »
No to the increased defence. 5 damage blocking + PA would probably become the most OP combo ever.
Maybe dropping the costs by 1 each would be acceptable, but I'm not too sure.

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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260518#msg260518
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 02:29:33 pm »
I think we should leave it as it is. As mentioned, the combination with PA is already prety strong. The bog strength of this shield is ofcourse it's defensive ability. It really puts a hold on mass fireflies for example. That 1 extra defense makes a big difference for alot of creatures.

If you want to change anything, I suggest change the cost, but certainly not it's defense.

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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260537#msg260537
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 03:13:29 pm »
This monster is fine to me, it shuts down many decks by itself already. FFQ? Done. Scarabs? Done. Blessed Scorps? Done. Heck it can easily shut down Fractal Phoenix a lot of the times, granted it must be PA'd, but I think my point is shown.

I think the costs are reasonable considering Emerald Shield and Jade Shield. I doubt I would venture as far as to say it would be fine to drop its cost by -1 :earth | - 1 :earth. 4 :earth for 2 damage removal from each source? I don't think so. Even if :earth Earth is known to be one of the elements of defense.

My stance is pretty rock solid.
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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260575#msg260575
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2011, 04:03:35 pm »
I mostly agree with what was said. First, yes it actually is a good shield. If you never use it, maybe you only play earth rush. In any type of slower deck it is really good. If you talk about the cost? Well the near neighbours are the Jade shield/permafrost. Cost is the same, but they have very good abilities. (Jade has 2!) The earth ''ability'' is an extra damage block of 1. Against high hitters that is negligable but against swarmers it is really good. Of course permafrost is good against anything. It has the potential to block 2 and block half the damage on top.

Seeing what this does, I get the feeling the cost cannot be justified. There are other shields for 3/4 quanta that block half the damage. -1  :earth is not unreasonable, certainly for the upgrade. If you have to pay 2 extra  :earth for 1 block, it is barely an upgrade anyway, more a different version.

Shards aren't overpowered, as long as you have them yourself.

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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260579#msg260579
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2011, 04:13:49 pm »
Seeing what this does, I get the feeling the cost cannot be justified. There are other shields for 3/4 quanta that block half the damage. -1  :earth is not unreasonable, certainly for the upgrade. If you have to pay 2 extra  :earth for 1 block, it is barely an upgrade anyway, more a different version.
That upgrade makes all the difference when facing swarms, wich is exactly what this shield is good against. In my opinion it's a very good upgrade, a cost of 6 wouldn't hurt but it's still good.

Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260912#msg260912
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2011, 01:12:49 am »
I lost a whole tourney game because of one of these things. My deck was superior in most other ways (I am probably being biased), but with one of those out, I couldn't get enough damage through to come close. It is useful, especially because you never consider it.
(Of course, if that 'Shield' card comes out...ughhh, then maybe a buff is needed)

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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260951#msg260951
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2011, 02:09:18 am »
I lost a whole tourney game because of one of these things. My deck was superior in most other ways (I am probably being biased), but with one of those out, I couldn't get enough damage through to come close. It is useful, especially because you never consider it.
(Of course, if that 'Shield' card comes out...ughhh, then maybe a buff is needed)
Shield I dont see as being a real threat to this card. It blocks 2 dmg yeah, but so does almost every other upped card. This one is unique in the fact that it can stop 3. Although, I would say the only buff this card needs is -1, maybe 2  :earth as stated before so that it is easier to get out
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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260957#msg260957
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 02:19:23 am »
Shield I dont see as being a real threat to this card. It blocks 2 dmg yeah, but so does almost every other upped card. This one is unique in the fact that it can stop 3. Although, I would say the only buff this card needs is -1, maybe 2  :earth as stated before so that it is easier to get out
Well, tower shield totally overwhelms the unupped one... I'm comparing to the unupped one because there isn't any upped shield that just blocks 2 damage, but the difference is -1 quanta, generally. Being random quanta is mostly a buff, too (look at AW if you don't believe me).

I still think maybe Tower shield is the wrong one. We should wait until it's balanced.

The shield by itself is OK. I mean, 3 damage blocking shuts down pretty much anything, and the unupped one is the only unupped 2-damage-blocker, which is a fair amount of defence.

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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg260962#msg260962
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 02:27:12 am »
Titanium Shield and Diamond Shield now cost 4  :earth and 6 :earth in the Trainer.
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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg261027#msg261027
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 03:44:44 am »
Titanium Shield and Diamond Shield now cost 4  :earth and 6 :earth in the Trainer.
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Re: Titanium Shield | Diamond Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20518.msg261038#msg261038
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