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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg226581#msg226581
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2010, 03:26:29 pm »
Cost to 4 and also delay all creatures hit by it for 1 turn. Thats what I think.

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg234308#msg234308
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 08:38:42 pm »
change it to

4 Air Quanta

Deal one damage to all enemy creatures. Draw a card.

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg238439#msg238439
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2011, 05:05:48 am »
^^ This.


Or, change it to say "deal 3 damage to target creature and 1 damage to all other enemy creatures".
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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg239952#msg239952
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2011, 01:26:26 am »
change it to

4 Air Quanta

Deal one damage to all enemy creatures. Draw a card.
I personally think draw acceleration should only be reserved for :time.

I like Essence's idea. Makes the card much more useful as a cc.

But then again, it overlaps with shockwave and shockwave's gonna become underused instead because there are only a few situations where it'll be preferred than the storm.
(ex - unuped cockatrice, upped shrieker... what else?
 freeze + shockwave combo is useful but not common)
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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg251874#msg251874
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2011, 02:04:37 pm »
Just to revive this thread a little more, look back through the suggestions posted before by others and say which one was your favourite so we can add some more up there and not all of them.
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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg252386#msg252386
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2011, 05:31:46 am »
I like the idea of a pump spell.

The idea would make thunderstorm really useful compared to how it is now, but not OP, because of the amount of quanta you would need.

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg256354#msg256354
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2011, 06:58:47 pm »
In my opinion it's fine as it is. considering the ow cost, it's damage is reasonable. As opposed to firestorm you can put this in your deck and it won't influence your quanta much.

The only occasion where I use it is if the oracle predicts Eternal Phoenix though  ;)

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg256376#msg256376
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2011, 07:35:13 pm »
In my opinion it's fine as it is. considering the ow cost, it's damage is reasonable. As opposed to firestorm you can put this in your deck and it won't influence your quanta much.
The reason it won't influence your quanta much is because it won't do much. Against the vast majority of creatures, a single thunderstorm is completely worthless.

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg256634#msg256634
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2011, 12:36:56 am »
considering the ow cost, it's damage is reasonable.
There is more to cost than just quantum cost. There is also draw cost. In most decks you can only draw once per turn; if not you have to pay a quantum and card cost in order to do this (precog, sundial, hourglass). Even free cards have cost, the cost of a draw. A card would only be worth using if its effect outweighs both the quantum cost and the draw cost (1 for nearly every card).

Try playing a deck with thunderstorm. How often will you be glad you drew it? Only in rare situations and counterdecks. Usually you will have benefited more if you drew another card; basically, thunderstorm is underpowered.
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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg256877#msg256877
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2011, 08:32:06 am »
Hmm, those are strong arguments. I saw it like: okay it doesn't do much but when it doesn't cost much either, who cares?

But if you put it that way, I guess thunderstorm needs some loving!

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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg256885#msg256885
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2011, 09:02:40 am »
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But if you put it that way, I guess thunderstorm needs some loving!
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Re: Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12797.msg257517#msg257517
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2011, 03:19:17 am »
I saw it like: okay it doesn't do much but when it doesn't cost much either, who cares?
It doesn't do much and does not cost much, correct. However, what it does rarely outweighs its cost; thus, it is rarely worth using. "Who cares?" seems naive because the ratio of its value to its cost is way off.
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