Post by: Daxx on December 26, 2010, 03:42:31 pm
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Vanilla shields are boring. Skull Shield needs to do something else. For example:
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EDIT: Apparently there is a shield in the Armory which does this. Fear Shield | Terror Shield (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6717.0.html), by FallenSoul. This would be a straight replacement for Skull Shield, rather than a new shield for Darkness.
Post by: Daxx on December 26, 2010, 03:56:36 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on December 26, 2010, 03:59:46 pm
'Reduce damage by X/2. X is the number of poisoned creatures on the field.'
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on December 26, 2010, 04:41:39 pm
Post by: Daytripper on December 26, 2010, 06:52:36 pm
Death already has a good theme shield in the bone wall. The malignant cell seems like a bad idea to me. Too easy to flood the field.
The poison ratio sounds good to me too.
I know another one: For every death, damage reduction is +1. However, the effect wears off over time. Like minus 1 per turn or -1 per 2 turns.
Post by: Nepycros on December 26, 2010, 06:54:57 pm
It probably will work. Oh, and in the Card Ideas and Art section, the poison ratio shield already exists. Go dig that up.
Post by: ddevans96 on December 26, 2010, 07:04:16 pm
I get it, Bone Wall stops heavy hitters, and now you're trying to make Skull Buckler stop spammers.I know full well that shield exist and it's where I got the idea even though that shield goes by poison on players as well.
It probably will work. Oh, and in the Card Ideas and Art section, the poison ratio shield already exists. Go dig that up.
Post by: teffy on December 26, 2010, 07:13:02 pm
Your field will be full of skeletons very fast.
decreased atk ? No. The atk will be low too fast, I think.
My idea:
Skull Shield.
The 2 (3?) hardest hitters (weapons too) fear the skull, and are blocked.
Edit: If the 2nd creature has the same atk as a 3rd one, always take the creature with the lower position number. The atk of skills (e.g. poison, fiery) counts.
Although it can be deflaged, it can block Fahrenheit and Ruby Dragon from Fire. Also the CCYB creatures in rainbow decks.
Synergy with Plague.
Post by: Nepycros on December 26, 2010, 07:14:33 pm
Post by: DrunkDestroyer on December 26, 2010, 07:41:27 pm
The first time a creature attacks, it becomes poisoned and your opponent recieves one poison counter.
(From then on, it attacks regularly, which is why you either want to stall, or focus on control. Will need higher cost)
Post by: zse on December 26, 2010, 08:39:25 pm
It could generate a Malignant Cell/Skeleton for each 1 damage absorbed by it.It would be better if you could choose whether to have it or not.
Maybe additional triggered active ability
:death: Generate Skeleton.
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:death :death: The target :death creature gains +3/+3.
Post by: johannhowitzer on December 26, 2010, 09:01:27 pm
Here are some ideas:
- Reduce physical damage by 1. Poison opponent if struck by weapon. (Like Thorn Carapace but for players.)
- Reduce physical damage by 1. Deal 1 damage to all enemy creatures if destroyed. (shield splinters)
- Poisoned creatures deal half damage rounded up. (cursed shield)
Post by: Nepycros on December 26, 2010, 09:03:24 pm
Well, we have yet to have an ingame shield with skill to be activated - so far they're all passive.Then vote for Graviton Inferno. ;)
Here are some ideas:
- Reduce physical damage by 1. Poison opponent if struck by weapon. (Like Thorn Carapace but for players.)
- Reduce physical damage by 1. Deal 1 damage to all enemy creatures if destroyed. (shield splinters)
- Poisoned creatures deal half damage rounded up. (cursed shield)
The thorn carapace that affects players is only really useful in poison decks.
Destroying the shield triggers a thunderstorm... interesting.
poisoned creatures deal half damage? OP, especially with Plague.
Post by: johannhowitzer on December 26, 2010, 09:11:39 pm
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The thorn carapace that affects players is only really useful in poison decks.A deck doesn't have to be built around poison for poison to be useful, you know. It's still damage dealt. Say your opponent has a Lobotomizer out. In five turns, the poison shield will match that weapon's damage in poison. After that, it's outpacing the weapon. Many, many decks use weapons as part of their strategy, and I can think of lots of reasons a cheap disincentive would be a great thing to have.
The half-damage shield concept isn't really OP unless you're talking about huge creatures, for a few reasons:
1) Weak creatures are usually cheap, and will probably be dead soon anyway. (Exception: Armagio, but it's not for hurting things, and 1 can't be halved.)
2) Huge creatures cost a lot, so they won't come out very quickly. You'd either have to wait and Plague them all, taking a lot of pain in the meantime, or spend a lot of Plagues as they come out.
The half-damage shield is powerful, but requires some dedication and skill to pull off. Immaterial creatures of course can't be halved, since Thorn Carapace cannot stack with Skull Buckler, unless Dual Shield card idea is implemented.
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on December 26, 2010, 09:44:22 pm
Post by: johannhowitzer on December 26, 2010, 10:07:21 pm
Post by: BC on December 26, 2010, 10:12:57 pm
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on December 27, 2010, 07:55:15 pm
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on December 27, 2010, 08:31:36 pm
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on December 27, 2010, 08:35:34 pm
Post by: Daxx on December 28, 2010, 02:02:06 am
Post by: Kuroaitou on December 28, 2010, 06:12:59 am
All these ideas of poison-related concepts don't really relate to the word 'Skull' at all, and (as Daxx said) might overlap with Thorn Carapace; I would think it'd be cool if the shield acted like a skull:
"Reduces damage by 1 for every 25-40 HP you have."
In this way, the more damage you take/less health you have, the weaker the shield becomes (the skull fracturing and cracking over time until it disintegrates, a sign of decay). But if you add special calcium fortifiers or other objects to make the skull stronger (Stone Skin/Shard of Divinity), the shield drastically improves in effectiveness. :)
...just an idea though, heh. ^^;
Post by: EvaRia on December 28, 2010, 06:48:02 am
So.... many.... Death Effects! :D
Post by: UncleBero on December 28, 2010, 12:53:23 pm
Reduce attack strenght by 1 (upgraded by 2) plus reduce attack stranght by (number of poisoning-1), but I would make it cost a bit more with this ability...
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on December 28, 2010, 03:54:13 pm
When people made suggestions for Solar Buckler, the 'generate :light quanta upon being hit' made so much sense not just mechanically (as a way for :light to generate more quanta for its creatures/spells/permanents), but also thematically in that it was like a Solar 'Panel' - the word "Solar" had tied in with the ability perfectly.You are the man. I wasn't considering thematic problems at first when I was looking for a buff, but I think now this is best suggestion here so far. It also is "opposite" to Solar Shield in a sense, which I like ; Solar helps quanta, while Skull relies on HP. Bravo.
All these ideas of poison-related concepts don't really relate to the word 'Skull' at all, and (as Daxx said) might overlap with Thorn Carapace; I would think it'd be cool if the shield acted like a skull:
"Reduces damage by 1 for every 25-40 HP you have."
In this way, the more damage you take/less health you have, the weaker the shield becomes (the skull fracturing and cracking over time until it disintegrates, a sign of decay). But if you add special calcium fortifiers or other objects to make the skull stronger (Stone Skin/Shard of Divinity), the shield drastically improves in effectiveness. :)
...just an idea though, heh. ^^;
Post by: $$$man on December 28, 2010, 04:39:54 pm
When people made suggestions for Solar Buckler, the 'generate :light quanta upon being hit' made so much sense not just mechanically (as a way for :light to generate more quanta for its creatures/spells/permanents), but also thematically in that it was like a Solar 'Panel' - the word "Solar" had tied in with the ability perfectly.Great idea, but might be kind of ridiculous in poison SS skull shield stalls.
All these ideas of poison-related concepts don't really relate to the word 'Skull' at all, and (as Daxx said) might overlap with Thorn Carapace; I would think it'd be cool if the shield acted like a skull:
"Reduces damage by 1 for every 25-40 HP you have."
In this way, the more damage you take/less health you have, the weaker the shield becomes (the skull fracturing and cracking over time until it disintegrates, a sign of decay). But if you add special calcium fortifiers or other objects to make the skull stronger (Stone Skin/Shard of Divinity), the shield drastically improves in effectiveness. :)
...just an idea though, heh. ^^;
20 points of damage prevention without hope, yes please.
Post by: 918273645 on December 28, 2010, 05:04:23 pm
"Shield: Reduce damage from physical sources by 1. For each point of damage reduced generate 1 infected Skeleton."Nightmare + ROL + Skull Shield + Vulture = :o
So.... many.... Death Effects! :D
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 28, 2010, 06:47:39 pm
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- Reduce physical damage by 1. Poison opponent if struck by weapon. (Like Thorn Carapace but for players.)This one is the one I like best. Could cost 2 | 1, would still be the cheapest shield around and the effect is so situational it wouldn't be a problem. I like this.
Post by: johannhowitzer on December 28, 2010, 10:43:33 pm
(Note that flying weapons, as creatures, would not trigger extra poison via Skull Buckler.)
Post by: The_Mormegil on December 29, 2010, 12:56:23 pm
Post by: DSSCRA on December 29, 2010, 03:11:19 pm
When people made suggestions for Solar Buckler, the 'generate :light quanta upon being hit' made so much sense not just mechanically (as a way for :light to generate more quanta for its creatures/spells/permanents), but also thematically in that it was like a Solar 'Panel' - the word "Solar" had tied in with the ability perfectly.
All these ideas of poison-related concepts don't really relate to the word 'Skull' at all, and (as Daxx said) might overlap with Thorn Carapace; I would think it'd be cool if the shield acted like a skull:
"Reduces damage by 1 for every 25-40 HP you have."
In this way, the more damage you take/less health you have, the weaker the shield becomes (the skull fracturing and cracking over time until it disintegrates, a sign of decay). But if you add special calcium fortifiers or other objects to make the skull stronger (Stone Skin/Shard of Divinity), the shield drastically improves in effectiveness. :)
...just an idea though, heh. ^^;
I support it blocking more dmg the more health you have 30hp=1 blocking seems good.
Post by: Tea is good on December 29, 2010, 04:31:32 pm
Post by: zse on December 29, 2010, 04:54:07 pm
it's low cost makes it perfect for aflatoxin pairing. adding new things would make it cost more, and less effective right after playing the 8 cost afla.If you're playing mono :death, the higher cost isn't big problem since you can easily get quanta to pay it.
If you're playing something else than mono :death, you're not gonna use Skull Shield/Buckler but some better shield, even if you'd have to pay more quanta for it.
Thus better ability leading to higher cost is not a problem.
Post by: thatnewguy on January 03, 2011, 11:23:06 pm
For every creature killed the owner of that creature gains 1 poison counter. Increase cost to 4/3. Thoughts?
Post by: The_Mormegil on January 04, 2011, 09:17:12 am
Had an interesting idea for skull shield buff.This would actually be an anti-death mechanic... I mean, half of death decks support killing your own creatures to benefict from their effects...
For every creature killed the owner of that creature gains 1 poison counter. Increase cost to 4/3. Thoughts?
Post by: thatnewguy on January 04, 2011, 09:17:08 pm
Post by: TDenverFan on January 05, 2011, 12:40:19 am
For each damage blocked, trigger death affects. Costs 5/4 :death
SO, sorta like a cat in shield form. It would fit in virtually any mono death, duo death, or trio death deck.
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on January 05, 2011, 01:35:09 am
Here's an idea that I like.OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP!!!!!!!!!!! think how many death effects there are, maybe something like,"trigger all death effects, but drain X :death per effect"...
For each damage blocked, trigger death affects. Costs 5/4 :death
SO, sorta like a cat in shield form. It would fit in virtually any mono death, duo death, or trio death deck.
Post by: TDenverFan on January 05, 2011, 02:21:39 am
Hmmm.... I see your point. Maybe it triggers death effects once on each turn it blocks damage? Or make it drain 3 :rainbow or 2 :death (One or the other, IDK which is more balanced) per death affect activated?Here's an idea that I like.OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP, OP!!!!!!!!!!! think how many death effects there are, maybe something like,"trigger all death effects, but drain X :death per effect"...
For each damage blocked, trigger death affects. Costs 5/4 :death
SO, sorta like a cat in shield form. It would fit in virtually any mono death, duo death, or trio death deck.
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on January 06, 2011, 12:37:07 am
Post by: dspn23 on January 09, 2011, 12:26:09 am
-creatures who do not atack because of this shield die instantly
it is logic once is deth so they die and woud be a good counter against fate eggs and deja-vu and rustlers and ROL
Post by: ratcharmer on January 09, 2011, 01:26:51 am
Just change it to shield/buckler costing 1/2 :rainbow.
It's not like shields are inherently spamable, so making it random quanta would hardly hurt balance.
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on January 09, 2011, 02:24:12 am
Post by: ratcharmer on January 09, 2011, 02:53:45 am
then :death wouldn't have a shield.... . . bonewall?
You could still use it exactly the same, it'd just be available to more decks
Post by: MXXE on January 16, 2011, 05:57:53 pm
Well, solar has been changed now and I'm really hoping for that "yet".
Post by: Nepycros on January 16, 2011, 07:26:38 pm
"For every creature that dies, their attack is added to this shield's physical defense divided by 3 (maybe 4). Resets each turn"
Now, you get bonuses for killing creatures, but now mass killing reaps the most benefits.
Let's say there's 2 Black Dragons, and a Minor Vampire on the opponent's field, and the Black Dragons have 3 health each. You play RoF, killing all three. That's 22 attack, divided by 3, rounding down, is 7. This way, when the opponent attacks, they have to deal more than 7 damage to hurt you. It resets back to 0 when it gets to your turn. This way, it requires CC and preparation to make this shield extremely powerful in short bursts.
The reason I don't think it's OP of an idea, is because it takes a lot of preparation, and only helps in short, but powerful, bursts.
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 17, 2011, 10:56:10 am
Post by: Falcon4415 on January 17, 2011, 03:45:30 pm
Post by: killybob on January 17, 2011, 04:29:39 pm
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"For every creature that dies, their attack is added to this shield's physical defense divided by 3 (maybe 4). Resets each turn"this sounds like a very good idea. balanced and better. everyone wins.
Post by: EvaRia on January 18, 2011, 03:45:10 am
" :death: Generate a Skeleton inflicted with Gravity Pull."
Post by: johannhowitzer on January 25, 2011, 10:28:09 pm
I'm not sure about the GP-skelly thing even as an ability. Yes, it creates extra death effects, but it also allows you to completely ignore the first non-momentum creature on your opponent's field every turn for 1 quantum.
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on January 27, 2011, 01:06:03 am
Post by: funerallaughter on January 27, 2011, 01:49:01 am
Or, maybe, have poisoned creatures lose life first before hitting the shield?
Post by: Kuroaitou on January 30, 2011, 08:38:22 am
Skull Shield | Skull Buckler (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20504.0.html)
Skeleton transformations and more. >.> Hot stuff.
(http://i.imgur.com/EFwgf.png)
Post by: funerallaughter on January 30, 2011, 09:08:34 am
yay semi-insta kill!!!
Post by: Nepycros on January 30, 2011, 03:42:04 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on January 30, 2011, 03:44:18 pm
Say whuh??? They can now insta-kill??? I thought this was tabooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Don't kill mah dragons!It's not insta-kill. Go read the thread to see how it works now.
Post by: Nepycros on January 30, 2011, 03:45:49 pm
Post by: silux on February 14, 2011, 04:12:24 pm
A quinted nynph can get killed easily!
Post by: QuantumT on March 05, 2011, 08:16:57 pm
Post by: killybob on March 05, 2011, 11:53:26 pm
Post by: BluePriest on March 06, 2011, 12:27:09 am
Skull shield is a terrible card for the game. When you take something that can swing the game as much as this can and make it probability based, you take away skill from the game.Dusk Shield, Fog Shield, Mutation, Fate Egg...
Shouldnt this topic be locked?
Post by: killybob on March 06, 2011, 12:48:34 am
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on May 15, 2011, 03:33:40 pm
What really bugs me about this card is that it becomes much less powerful when upgraded - Elite Skeletons are 2 | 2, which means that they can penetrate the shield while the unupgraded version's 1 | 1 Skeletons can't. For -1 Cost, that doesn't seem very fair.
My suggested buff is to make the Skeletons spawned be unupgraded - it makes much more sense mechanically (shield would still shuts down damage like it did unupgraded) and the -1 cost would make much more sense as an upgrade as well by itself.
Post by: truddy02 on May 15, 2011, 03:35:08 pm
Post by: RagingAlien on May 15, 2011, 03:54:02 pm
Post by: Genuinous on May 15, 2011, 03:57:30 pm
then make the upgraded cost the same and get +1 DR! avoiding ALL upgraded skellies. :DMaybe the upgraded should cost more with 2 DR...
Post by: RagingAlien on May 15, 2011, 04:05:58 pm
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on May 15, 2011, 04:08:54 pm
It doesn't matter if the shield is upgraded. Ugraded creatures become elite skeletons and unupped creatures become regular skeletons.Whoops. I wasn't aware of this. In that case, Topic Locked, the shield is fine as it is.
Post by: Heric the Dark Lord on April 02, 2013, 02:56:08 am
This card sees low usage in Death Decks, meta or otherwise. It's cheap, but with the low chance of effect for it's cost, most people would use Bone Wall or Shield, one being generally more powerful, the other being cheaper. Upgrading it is also pointless, because all you get is a slightly cheaper version of an UP card.
Also, I've tested a deck using it before. If it kills an upgraded card, it turns into an ELITE skeleton, which is strong enough to damage you.(May be wrong. It's been a while since I tested that.) Seems like a waste of time and 1500 electrum in upgraded play, and not effective enough in unupgraded play.
I'm not asking to make it meta, but a buff would be nice. Opinions?
Post by: Chapuz on April 02, 2013, 03:14:43 am
Post by: Annele on April 02, 2013, 04:37:51 am
Post by: Absol on April 02, 2013, 05:48:32 am
What Chapuz said, but I do like the idea of all creatures upped or unupped turning into unupped skeletons. That's enough of a buff, I think.+1, lower casting cost offset by stronger Skeletons on opponent's field sounds more UP than unupped. Just like how there's no upped mutant, there should be no upped Skeleton from this.
EDIT: except if the Skeleton can die again and trigger death effect. But it can't.
Post by: EvilDeathX on April 02, 2013, 06:01:03 am
1. Can kill annoying Immortal creatures.
2. Can kill the already killed creature again if creature is upped. (It has been a while since it happened to me, they may have changed this.)
3. It is an automatic death effect,(Not damage) one of only two(I think) in the game.
The Upped shield itself does not create the elite skeletons, it only happens if it kills an upped creature.What Chapuz said, but I do like the idea of all creatures upped or unupped turning into unupped skeletons. That's enough of a buff, I think.+1, lower casting cost offset by stronger Skeletons on opponent's field sounds more UP than unupped. Just like how there's no upped mutant, there should be no upped Skeleton from this.
EDIT: except if the Skeleton can die again and trigger death effect. But it can't.
Post by: Pella on April 02, 2013, 06:51:37 am
My mono-Death upped deck contains 2 Skull Bucklers. I can't count the number of times those shields have saved my a$$, especially against mono-Aether. I don't really care about the Elite Skellies because they do only 1 dmg through the shield, and I'm rushing anyway, so 1 = 0, more or less.
Leave it alone. It's fine.
Post by: Heric the Dark Lord on April 02, 2013, 07:02:08 am
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You see while the Elite is better for the opponent because it has a two attack, it is also better for you because of the same reason. That two power, means that it CAN damage you, meaning that it CAN die again. Giving you the opportunity to completely rid the field of said creature. Also allowing you to expliot two death effects from killing the same creature twice.
1: No, I don't think it can kill the elite skeles. It might, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
2:A plague(Which I KNOW is run with death.) on a regular skele will do the same thing, and you take no damage.
Post by: CuCN on April 02, 2013, 07:26:47 am
Testing in trainer confirms that it cannot.QuoteYou see while the Elite is better for the opponent because it has a two attack, it is also better for you because of the same reason. That two power, means that it CAN damage you, meaning that it CAN die again. Giving you the opportunity to completely rid the field of said creature. Also allowing you to expliot two death effects from killing the same creature twice.
1: No, I don't think it can kill the elite skeles. It might, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
Post by: Shantu on April 02, 2013, 11:08:55 am
I believe it requires neither, it's fine the way it is. Keep in mind it can kill even Elite Armagios, and I have seen that happen.
As for its usage, I have no idea. But I know that often Bonewall isn't the optimal choice because you either can't keep it up or it's too expensive in the deck. In those times comes Skull Shield to save your rear.
I agree upgraded skeletons are annoying, but if they annoy you that much, you can use plague or something (in a stall) to get rid of them. In a rush, it shouldn't matter.
Post by: Fireleaf on April 02, 2013, 12:05:13 pm
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 02, 2013, 03:20:35 pm
To me, this shield is way cheaper than Ice/Permafrost and can take cards out of play for the entire game, not just a couple turns. I know the odds aren't as good, but still. This guy creates death effects too, which are always useful in Death.
The odds of skull shield triggering are actually quite high against really low-hp creatures, which are pretty much exactly the type of creatures you'd be playing against early game if you're playing against a rush most of the time, and early game is where you'd generally get the low-cost skull buckler in play (hopefully).
It tears up pretty much everything in fire, for example, as well as graboids/shriekers, most freshly-played growers, and as was mentioned above, it's one of a very small number of counters to immortal creatures.
I'd support making every killed creature turn into an unupped skellie regardless of their original upgrade status, but that's about as far as I'd go.
Post by: Heric the Dark Lord on April 02, 2013, 10:46:20 pm
I seriously never knew so many people used the Skull shield. I thought all death players used bone wall.
I might make a point, though, that on average, the shield will activate no more than twice per game. Odds are higher against fire, and lower against earth and gravity. Permafrost protects against more damage, and has a much better chance of activating. While I, in no way say this shield is weak, I do say it is(Or seems) underused, and is less useful in upgraded play than any other shield. That said, it's also one of the cheapest...
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 02, 2013, 11:24:51 pm
I might make a point, though, that on average, the shield will activate no more than twice per game. Odds are higher against fire, and lower against earth and gravity. Permafrost protects against more damage, and has a much better chance of activating. While I, in no way say this shield is weak, I do say it is(Or seems) underused, and is less useful in upgraded play than any other shield. That said, it's also one of the cheapest...
For the purposes of discussion (and someone please correct me if this got modified without my noticing), the chances of skull shield triggering are (0.5 / HP), so:
50% - 1 HP monster
25% - 2 HP monster
16.67% - 3 HP monster, etc.
That's per attack (naturally) so that's a lot more than two triggers per game against fire rushes, graboid rushes, and other high-att-low-hp things.
Post by: Heric the Dark Lord on April 03, 2013, 12:14:10 am
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For the purposes of discussion (and someone please correct me if this got modified without my noticing), the chances of skull shield triggering are (0.5 / HP), so:
50% - 1 HP monster
25% - 2 HP monster
16.67% - 3 HP monster, etc.
That's per attack (naturally) so that's a lot more than two triggers per game against fire rushes, graboid rushes, and other high-att-low-hp things.
You don't know how much the RNG hates Everyone, do you? It took me forever just to confirm that it wasn't the buckler that made upped skeles, and that it was the upped creatures.
Against Fire rushes, true. That is probably higher than two, probably more around three or four.
Against golem rushes, the HP raises constantly, so the RNG hates you more. I guarentee you will (Almost) never see a summon sick golem die from the effect.
Against Shrieker rushes, that is a 12.5 chance on the shriekers. You'd think it'd happen more. Nevertheless, the equation is right, more or less. Also remember that High-ATK, Low HP also means they kill you quickly, giving it less chance to activate.
Is a hard counter to forest scorp rushing. for the same reason as half the shields in the game
Has about the same likelyhood as a fire rush should you encounter a munchkin/frogtosis rush.
Phase Dragon rushes suffer very little to this shield.
I could name dozens of other decks of how you describe, where the shield activates on average, exactly as many times as I said.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on April 03, 2013, 12:17:13 am
Have you ever been on the receiving end of a skull shield lucky kill? Ex. the phase dragon you took forever to get the quanta for gets killed on its first turn. It's a very potent rage inducer. :P
Post by: Heric the Dark Lord on April 03, 2013, 01:50:32 am
But I understand. I would vote Against a percentage increase. I'm just saying, it is actually very close to what I said was the average, when Colorless said I was wrong.
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 03, 2013, 02:49:29 am
Not that I remember.
But I understand. I would vote Against a percentage increase. I'm just saying, it is actually very close to what I said was the average, when Colorless said I was wrong.
Hey now.
First of all, I'm actually just trying to contribute some information that was lacking from the thread here. Second of all, if you go back and read what I said, I didn't say you were wrong overall about the average (though I'm not conceding you're right here either, I just haven't done the math on it), what I said was "here's a few examples of decks where it triggers a lot more than twice per battle on average". My point about that was that it does well against certain classes of decks (which happen to be rather common decks in a few different metas) and a card doesn't have to be good against everything.
edit: While I'm at it, "the RNG hates you" is an argument that's valid over 10 games but not over 100,000, which is what we should be balancing for. I expect that over enough games I'd see lava golems die on their first turn almost exactly half of the time (unless the rate has changed and I didn't notice like I said before.)
Post by: Hyroen on April 03, 2013, 04:25:09 am
That way they can't harm you. ^_^
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