[Official] Skeleton | Elite Skeleton

[dawn to dusk]

Skeleton's cost isn't really relevant to Boneyard. Jen's saying nothing about Boneyard. Only 3 of the listed Skeleton combos aren't better with Photon (Eternity, RT, Fractal)

Furthermore, the fractal one is better with deathstalkers than skeletons.
And the RT combos are arguably better with mummies than skeletons as well...

@DR: About the argument itself, people are agreeing on a 0 cost for skeleton. Why would you not want mono RT skeletons? What does boneyard have to do with the cost?

[iDaire]

Skeleton's cost isn't really relevant to Boneyard. Jen's saying nothing about Boneyard. Only 3 of the listed Skeleton combos aren't better with Photon (Eternity, RT, Fractal)

Furthermore, the fractal one is better with deathstalkers than skeletons.
And the RT combos are arguably better with mummies than skeletons as well...

@DR: About the argument itself, people are agreeing on a 0 cost for skeleton. Why would you not want mono RT skeletons? What does boneyard have to do with the cost?

Zero cost skeleton. So, we make better, and make worse? This game doesn't need another photon. I prefer photon to be the only card with zero cost. It is the whole theory of elements. You don't want to spend quanta, everyone would suggest grabbing a photon. What have we to gain from adding another zero cost creature to the game? What have we to gain from making skeleton zero cost? That would replace photon in EVERY deck. Literally every deck. For the main reason skeleton would be more power. Slightly more power, but more powerful nonetheless. Skeleton has its passive ability that synchronizes with reverse time and Eternity. So, why not remove photon from every deck and replace it with skeleton? If this were to take place, why not remove photon and ray of light altogether? We have luciferin. We have fireflies. Life could go on. If you want zero cost, just grab skeleton.
This is a poor idea. I would just want a 2 | 2 unupped skeleton and 3 | 3 upped skeleton. If a buff is necessary, which I believe it isn't.

[CuCN]

I prefer photon to be the only card with zero cost. It is the whole theory of elements. You don't want to spend quanta, everyone would suggest grabbing a photon.

Your theory of elements needs revision.

What have we to gain from making skeleton zero cost? That would replace photon in EVERY deck. Literally every deck. For the main reason skeleton would be more power. Slightly more power, but more powerful nonetheless. Skeleton has its passive ability that synchronizes with reverse time and Eternity. So, why not remove photon from every deck and replace it with skeleton? If this were to take place, why not remove photon and ray of light altogether?

Photon is airborne. Skeleton isn't.

[iDaire]

I prefer photon to be the only card with zero cost. It is the whole theory of elements. You don't want to spend quanta, everyone would suggest grabbing a photon.

Your theory of elements needs revision.

What have we to gain from making skeleton zero cost? That would replace photon in EVERY deck. Literally every deck. For the main reason skeleton would be more power. Slightly more power, but more powerful nonetheless. Skeleton has its passive ability that synchronizes with reverse time and Eternity. So, why not remove photon from every deck and replace it with skeleton? If this were to take place, why not remove photon and ray of light altogether?

Photon is airborne. Skeleton isn't.

Airborne effect on Photon as little to no use at all. Again, Zero cost skeleton is a photon.

[dawn to dusk]

So buff photon as well?

OEtG buff for photon is nice

[CuCN]

Airborne effect on Photon as little to no use at all.

So does Skeleton's passive ability.

[iDaire]

Airborne effect on Photon as little to no use at all.

So does Skeleton's passive ability.

At least it isn't something as useless, as an airborne effect.

[Espithel]

I shall repeat myself:

Do not balance cards on unbalanced cards.
This means don't balance skeleton, a weak card, on photon, an hilariously weak card.
If hope didn't exist, photon would not be used >at all.<

[ARTHANASIOS]

I shall repeat myself:

Do not balance cards on unbalanced cards.
This means don't balance skeleton, a weak card, on photon, an hilariously weak card.
If hope didn't exist, photon would not be used >at all.<

Photon (unupped) has absolutely no synnergy with hope, except if combined with Luciferin.
Photon & immolation is seen very often, as well as photon & Eternity to prevent deckouts or photon & mutation to gain a very cheap Abomination or mutant.
Mitophotons with Bonds is also a very viable strategy against the right kind of opponent.
Photon is FAR from underpowered/underused...

[Espithel]

Photon (unupped) has absolutely no synnergy with hope, except if combined with Luciferin.
Photon & immolation is seen very often, as well as photon & Eternity to prevent deckouts or photon & mutation to gain a very cheap Abomination or mutant.
Mitophotons with Bonds is also a very viable strategy against the right kind of opponent.
Photon is FAR from underpowered/underused...

Unupped meta has to deal with photon. It doesn't want to.
Photon and immolation is seen very often unupped, but I'm pretty sure that's because it's the only 0 cost creature, not because the creature is good. In the upped meta, most immo rushes use damselfly because that has more ATK. Lava golem rushes are more common than seraph rushes. Immo rushes are pretty bad from my experience unupped due to you being unable to play phoenixes from them on the same turn. And you kinda need gnome gemfinders for golem rushes.

Ditto mutation. Most mutation decks I've seen use singularity, actually.

You can just use your time creature instead of photon. Using it in place of another card just to stop decking out is a complete waste.

With another 0 cost creature, the 2 are interchangeable.
There's a difference between something being good and something being the best it can be.
Just because, unupped, photon is the best at what meager uses it has, doesn't make it good.
If it was, then making skeleton cost 0 wouldn't mean anything.
And it still doesn't.

[omegareaper7]

The idea that this card is underpowered is sincerely not up to par.
This has to be amongst the top list of most spammable creatures in this game and has no ability. So like every other creature I this category, it has combos that can be utilized if someone were to put some actual thought into them. This card alone can have about 11 decks made around it. 11 possibly weak decks, but decks nonetheless.
We have decks made around the cards that are standard and powerful. Most players utilize the overpowered cards exceptionally well. Why is it no one ever looks at the reject cards in this game and try to make a PvP deck out of them that has the chance of drawing attention to it?
No. People don't want to. I've played PvP 1 and 2 a huge amount of times, and I have seen some garbage decks that manage to get the drop on my ghostmare or on my mono fire or on my Phoenix rush decks. This just proves that even the weakest of cards, used right, can destroy the entire field.
Back to skeleton. Look at some combos that go with this card:
Skeleton + Eternity
Skeleton + Reverse Time
Skeleton + Fallen Druid
Boneyard + Cats + Eclipse
Boneyard + Cats + Shard of Patience
Boneyard + Cats + Luciferin + Hope
Boneyard + Cats + Bonewall
Boneyard + Cats + Otyugh
Boneyard + Cats + Bonewall + Otyugh
Boneyard + Cats + Bonewall + Dry Spell
Boneyard + Cats + Fallen Druid
Boneyard + Cats + Eternity
Skeleton + Fractal + Eclipse
Skeleton + Quintessence + Shard of Wisdom
Boneyard + CC + Immolation

I could go on with variants but all I'm saying is use the combos people. Zanzarino implemented each card with combos and synergies that could be used no matter how weak they are. I won't be stupid and say none of the cards are underpowered, but some of the cards that are underpowered aren't as underpowered as you consider them to be and can be very useful in those specific situations we all find ourselves in, whether it be Grinding, Arena, PvP, PvP Events, some deck your friend made that somehow works, a card is there for those.

boneyard in pretty much any deck is an awful idea. Cat decks are better off with other cards. Most of the stuff you listed is pretty much worthless and doesn't even hope to compete against any real deck.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Unupped meta has to deal with photon. It doesn't want to.

That just makes no sense... I won't bother answer this...

Photon and immolation is seen very often unupped, but I'm pretty sure that's because it's the only 0 cost creature, not because the creature is good. In the upped meta, most immo rushes use damselfly because that has more ATK. Lava golem rushes are more common than seraph rushes. Immo rushes are pretty bad from my experience unupped due to you being unable to play phoenixes from them on the same turn. And you kinda need gnome gemfinders for golem rushes.

Being 1|1 for zero is very effective. Spark is also zero cost but it is not used as often as photon. Immo rush is actually better unupped because it is faster than a normal unupped rush. See, novabows and immorush are the only unupped rushes that can play their hitters on the very first turn. Because of this, they are much more competitive in unupped meta.

Ditto mutation. Most mutation decks I've seen use singularity, actually.

You can just use your time creature instead of photon. Using it in place of another card just to stop decking out is a complete waste.

Nope, it is not. Photon is costless, meaning photon & eternity is cheaper than deja vu & eternity or whatever. It can be fueled just by 3 time factories actually.

With another 0 cost creature, the 2 are interchangeable.
There's a difference between something being good and something being the best it can be.
Just because, unupped, photon is the best at what meager uses it has, doesn't make it good.
If it was, then making skeleton cost 0 wouldn't mean anything.
And it still doesn't.

Your words mark your inexperience...