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[Official] Short Bow | Longbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg470961#msg470961
« on: March 15, 2012, 02:30:16 am »


I'm surprised this card hasn't been posted yet.  Anyway, I was thinking how Longbow is almost never used, whereas Gavel is used quite a bit more, because two elements give it +1 damage instead of one for the bow, because the gavel has more hp, and because the earth weapon, pulverizer, is strictly worse than gavel if you aren't using gravity quanta.

My proposed (small) buff to both versions is to give it +1 damage for having a water mark, in addition to the +1 for having an air mark that it currently has. (or maybe a life mark, because that would be more thematic with hunting and animals and all that in life, but I'd almost always use jade staff for 2 instead of a longbow for 2 in monolife)  Water's weapon is poseidon, and so in monowater, if I'm using a weapon, it's always longsword, because poseidon costs more and it sucks without earth quanta.  This would put longbow on more equal footing with gavel in usage and give monowater a slightly better weapon.

I have no idea how this would be justified thematically, but whatever :p

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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg470964#msg470964
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 02:35:14 am »
Eh? Why water? How does water fit thematically with a bow? Most unupped water decks use bows because they use an air mark to power shockwave and toadfish.

But yeah, I do see where you're going. Longbow does seem quite shafted by other weapons (Longsword, gavel, owl's eye). There hardly seems to be a reason to use longbow unless someone builds their arena deck around one.

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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg471013#msg471013
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 05:06:25 am »
Longbow trades Mark affinity for passive Ranged. That's why.
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg471078#msg471078
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 02:59:47 pm »
Keep in mind that longbow has affinity with the element with flying weapon, too. Flying longbows are fast (but fragile).
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg471103#msg471103
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 04:35:00 pm »
Longbow trades Mark affinity for passive Ranged. That's why.
I figured that was part of it, but that's only useful against exactly one card, wings.  Flying gavels also have more hp, and I'd rather have that than ranged, especially when if you animate them, the gavels fly, too.

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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481168#msg481168
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 10:45:37 pm »
This card is useless except for drawing out PC or having 6 of them flying but really I have no experience with it so I might not be the most accurate person speaking for this
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481184#msg481184
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 11:28:28 pm »
Passive Critical hit chance?
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481188#msg481188
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 11:40:29 pm »
Passive Critical hit chance?
That would differentiate it and make it much better than gavel.

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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481190#msg481190
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 11:43:11 pm »
That would differentiate it and make it much better than gavel.
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481281#msg481281
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 01:13:03 am »
Unfortunately this water synergy would condemn Poseidon to even less usage, if that were even possible.
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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481288#msg481288
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2012, 01:19:39 am »
Unfortunately this water synergy would condemn Poseidon to even less usage, if that were even possible.
Wrong thread.  You might want to look for Trident|Poseidon in the Buff This Card thread.

I actually like the chance for critical idea.  But one way to prevent it from clashing is by having the crit only available when you have the :air Mark

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Re: Short Bow | Long Bow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37476.msg481302#msg481302
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2012, 01:33:16 am »
Unfortunately this water synergy would condemn Poseidon to even less usage, if that were even possible.
Wrong thread.  You might want to look for Trident|Poseidon in the Buff This Card thread.

Er, no, he's referring to the synergy proposed here. It's relevant.
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