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[Official] Shockwave | Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg255380#msg255380
« on: January 23, 2011, 07:09:56 pm »


EDIT- This image is post buff. The image reference to the wiki was updated, so this shows the new, buffed Shockwave.

First off, let me say that I don't the card is terrible or that it needs a buff worse than any other card in the game. What I'm mostly basing this on is a comparison with this card:



When compared with lightning, shockwave just seems lackluster. It has the instant kill effect on frozen things, but to get that it gives up both 1 damage and the ability to target players.

Because :air has Owl's Eye and Eagle's Eye, Shockwave is mainly gunning to be a splash CC card, but since Lightning is better at that Shockwave sees little use. It's left only as a toss in for rainbow decks that are already running Lightning.

Think about it this way. How many PvP decks do you see that actually make use of the shockwave instakill ability?
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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg255538#msg255538
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 09:48:11 pm »
yeah. plus aether has mainly high cost cards and creatures (unupped) with low attacks. only the dragon does above 4. lightning merely balances it out. shock wave is just an added bonus to air. just because lightning does more damage doesn't make shockwave rubbish. it's like saying basalt dragon is crap because crimson dragon does more damage.

although i do like the idea of damaging players with it

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg255540#msg255540
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 09:49:50 pm »
oh yes please add no nerf to the poll

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg255552#msg255552
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2011, 09:57:50 pm »
oh yes please add no nerf to the poll
I guess my intent was for the lightning to represent that, but now that you mention it I see what you mean.

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg255587#msg255587
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2011, 10:29:49 pm »
aah thank you. although i don't think that it needs any buff essentially, i do think it deserves the right to hit the player directly.

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256212#msg256212
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 02:50:29 pm »
K so would any of the people who voted no change care to elaborate at all?

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256224#msg256224
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 03:15:29 pm »
the card is fine, EEs are good for general CC and this works on tough enemies in a water/air deck
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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256234#msg256234
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 03:36:08 pm »
K so would any of the people who voted no change care to elaborate at all?
Its 1 damage less, and has a side effect. Increasing its damage should be an obvious no, then Lightning would be too weak. Sure it cant atk players, so maybe that being changed, but that is really all.

Hmmm... actually... why not this...

Change its dmg to 3, allow it to atk directly, and when the opponents weapon is frozen, destroy it when the opponent is attacked directly. That would give it the insta kill effect when attacking the opponent and give more pc in the game. Hmm....
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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256235#msg256235
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 03:38:26 pm »
A nice buff would be that it can shatter a frozen weapon.
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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256241#msg256241
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 03:41:41 pm »
The frozen weapon effect would come into play even less than the frozen creature effect, because voodoo doll is the only way to freeze weapons currently.

Maybe if ice bolt was given the ability to possibly freeze weapons.
Its 1 damage less, and has a side effect. Increasing its damage should be an obvious no, then Lightning would be too weak. Sure it cant atk players, so maybe that being changed, but that is really all.
It doesn't really sound like you're against the idea of players being targetable. Why don't you vote for that option?

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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256258#msg256258
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 04:25:24 pm »
The frozen weapon effect would come into play even less than the frozen creature effect, because voodoo doll is the only way to freeze weapons currently.

Maybe if ice bolt was given the ability to possibly freeze weapons.
Its 1 damage less, and has a side effect. Increasing its damage should be an obvious no, then Lightning would be too weak. Sure it cant atk players, so maybe that being changed, but that is really all.
It doesn't really sound like you're against the idea of players being targetable. Why don't you vote for that option?
I did lol.

I agree, Icebolt should have the capability of freezing the opponents weapon, and then be able to shatter the opponents weapon.
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Re: Shockwave|Shockwave https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20129.msg256296#msg256296
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 05:52:13 pm »
yes that is a good idea. although if we make the weapon too vulnerable it will only really be about as good as any normal creature. weapons are special and should remain that way.

 

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