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[Official] Shard of Void | Shard of Void https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439692#msg439692
« on: December 17, 2011, 06:14:52 pm »


I’m just going to say it. Shard Of Void is by far the worst card ever printed.
I’m just going to talk about the upped version here, but it is obvious that the unupped version is even worse.
My goal is to make all of you realize that this card needs some serious buffing.

When I say this card is completely useless, a lot of people would argue about it. A waste of time, it’s bad anyway.
This card (again I’m talking only about the upped shard) lowers the max Hp of your opponent by 3 (I’m assuming you have a mark of darkness).
This effect takes place each turn. With only one shard it takes 34 turns to kill an opponent. You’ll need to play more than one.
If you play two, you’ll need 18 turns (notice I’m being incredibly optimistic here assuming you have 2 shards on turn one).
Having 3 shards will result in a win on turn 12.
You don’t need to be a genius to see that this isn’t going to work.
Winning solely on Shard of Void is almost impossible. Even if you would find ‘the’ deck that wins using the shard, it is still not good enough.
Making a card that fits only in one deck is stupid.

But maybe Shard of Void can play a supportive role in the deck? That could work isn’t it? Try “isn’t it”!
Shard of Void has no synergy with any other card in the game! It doesn’t fit in any strategy!
Putting it into a rush deck is just foolish! When you’re trying to beat your opponent as soon as possible with your shriekers, giant frogs or even vampires,
this shard can’t help you win. It lowers the maximum Hp of your opponent, it doesn’t do any damage!
If your opponent has 3 hp left and still has 100 max Hp playing your shard will not result in a win. Conclusion: Shard of void doesn’t fit in rushes.
But hey, there is also something like control or stall! Maybe shard of void can work in a deck like this?
In this scenario, Shard of void takes the role of poison. Again the answer is no. In fact, Shard of void doesn’t work in any deck that does damage!
The example  I gave above (see rushes) still stands. You’re fighting a war on two fronts! On the one side you want to lower his HP and on the other his Maximum Hp.
This isn’t efficient. This is why I think this card is even more useless than (some of) the nymphs.

But why did they make it? Shard of void is (supposed to be) a counter to healing. By lowering the max hp, the effects of a miracle can be drastically lower.
But does shard of void accomplish this? Does it counter miracle decks? No it doesn’t. Miracle decks are packed with stone skins and shard of divinity.
These cards make all the good work Shard of Void does look futile.
But what’s the alternative? If you want to counter healing. Just make a card that says: “players can’t gain life”.
I know I’m being simplistic here but if you want to counter healing, you should do it properly.

That was all I had to say. Sorry if I shattered any dreams about how great this card is, but it really isn’t all that good or even decent for that matter.

Any comments?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2015, 02:25:17 pm by Treldon »
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439706#msg439706
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 06:48:04 pm »
Actually, I disagree with almost everything in this. Shard of Void may not seem very powerful alone, but when stacked in almost any darkness deck it is a force to be reckoned with. It is the perfect counter to SPlat, one of the strongest decks in the entire game. Also, try using this in ghostmare; works like a charm. You're probably mad because you can't fit this card well into your favorite decks, but this card has serious potential.

I don't even understand why you brought up using the card alone.. What's the point? Shards are used to back up or strengthen your creatures. They're not creatures alone!
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439713#msg439713
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 07:22:46 pm »
Maybe I missed it but, have you ever heard of stall decks? 6 SoVs + 24 stall deck staples is a fairly simple deck to consider right? If a stall deck cannot survive 20+ turns then it is built wrong. Of course SoV will not take care of the last 1hp. But that is what the bolt-like cc is for (Lightning, Shockwave, Fire Bolt, Ice Bolt, or Drain Life).
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439716#msg439716
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 07:29:39 pm »
If an opponent doesnt' have healing, this card is a waste of space. And there are A LOT of decks that don't have healing. considdering this, how can it be a "force to be reckoned with"?
And even IF it can counter just one deck (Splat or whatever), What difference does it make? This tiny percent of the metagame can't be an excuse to make this card!

Of course I've heared about stall decks. But it seems to me that these decks allready have their winconditions.
Also poison makes this card useless.
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439718#msg439718
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 07:31:49 pm »
And even IF it can counter just one deck (Splat or whatever), What difference does it make? This tiny percent of the metagame can't be an excuse to make this card!
Countering SoSa is quite a big deal, esp since SoSa is still considered OP by some.

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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439721#msg439721
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 07:35:41 pm »
Of course I've heared about stall decks. But it seems to me that these decks allready have their winconditions.
Also poison makes this card useless.
Good. Then you should know that the first criteria of Stall deck win conditions is inevitability.

Poision is not inevitable if the opponent has regeneration, sufficient healing or purify. (Sanctuary, Miracle, Vampire, Feral Bond ...)
SoV is not inevitable if the opponent has reusable PC. (Pulvy, BE, lucky mutant)
SoV + Protect Artifact is inevitable.

SoV is a more assured win condition than Poison and can be further improved with the Earth stall staple of Protect Artifact.
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439730#msg439730
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 07:49:41 pm »
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439853#msg439853
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 10:43:15 pm »
SoV is great in stalls. It's like Poison without the crippling weakness to healing.
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg439876#msg439876
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2011, 11:26:58 pm »
When you see it in PvP2 or maybe in PvP Duel , you will be surprised good this card is. You use cards like Sundial, Bonewall, SoSac, SoD to stall, and get the opponent down to 1HP with enchanted SoVs, then you use Dagger, Poison, whatever for the final blow.
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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg443781#msg443781
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2011, 02:55:10 am »
You can't be serious... This card is great!!!

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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg444582#msg444582
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 10:21:20 pm »
I disagree with 99% of everything on that post.

It works in stall, cause in a stall, you try to hold out until the inevitable death falls on the opponent. And if you stack the SoV and use Protect Artifact, it is an inevitable death, cause you can't heal, because no damage has been done, and it is much more powerful than Poison, as it can't be countered.


And when you said, Poison counters stall decks, hear the part, "hold out until inevitable death," yea, they have purifies and healing and miracles.

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Re: shard of Void needs the biggest buff ever (coz it's realy bad) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34882.msg444790#msg444790
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2012, 02:32:33 pm »
I disagree with 99% of everything on that post.

It works in stall, cause in a stall, you try to hold out until the inevitable death falls on the opponent. And if you stack the SoV and use Protect Artifact, it is an inevitable death, cause you can't heal, because no damage has been done, and it is much more powerful than Poison, as it can't be countered.


And when you said, Poison counters stall decks, hear the part, "hold out until inevitable death," yea, they have purifies and healing and miracles.
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