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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg258822#msg258822
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2011, 02:53:03 am »
Noting that Golden Dragon is 10|10 for 12 :light.  If there every is a need for this kind of a buff then the quanta cost would need to be changed greatly.
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but yes, this is overshadowed greatly by shrieker, and it's essentially just a more expensive shrieker, making it a useless card. So therefore we have to do SOMETHING with it :-\
Or we can do something with shrieker, which is likely the bigger problem.

Seriously, all the earth cards are really, really great and honestly don't need a buff, it's just that they are all overshadowed by shrieker and graboid.
Shriekers need to be buffed, they are to low of Hp for there Attack. The ruby dragon is 15/3 and it costs 12 :fire while the shrieker costs 8 :earth and its a 8/3. Both cards need to be buffed. I am personally not a fan of earth cards. But this card DOES need a buff.

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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg258832#msg258832
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2011, 03:10:09 am »
Shriekers need to be buffed, they are to low of Hp for there Attack. The ruby dragon is 15/3 and it costs 12 :fire while the shrieker costs 8 :earth and its a 8/3. Both cards need to be buffed. I am personally not a fan of earth cards. But this card DOES need a buff.
Are you being serious? You're talking of 2 of the most powerful rush cards in the game.
Shriekers can be spawned easily by Graboids, and can also burrow if your opponent has too much CC. One of the fastest rushes in the game is the Graboid/Shrieker rush. Other of the fastests uses Ruby dragons (15|2 not 15|3), since you can deal a -ton- of damage, and most decks without CC will die, while those with CC will pray to draw any CC to stop that beast. With Immolations and Ruby Dragons, you can even achieve a 3 turn victory, which is too much, IMO.
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Regarding Earth/Basalt Dragon, as it's said, its only problem is being overshadowed by Shriekers, so I don't see the point on buffing it.

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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg258939#msg258939
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2011, 10:46:27 am »
Shriekers need to be buffed, they are to low of Hp for there Attack. The ruby dragon is 15/3 and it costs 12 :fire while the shrieker costs 8 :earth and its a 8/3. Both cards need to be buffed. I am personally not a fan of earth cards. But this card DOES need a buff.
Are you being serious? You're talking of 2 of the most powerful rush cards in the game.
Shriekers can be spawned easily by Graboids, and can also burrow if your opponent has too much CC. One of the fastest rushes in the game is the Graboid/Shrieker rush. Other of the fastests uses Ruby dragons (15|2 not 15|3), since you can deal a -ton- of damage, and most decks without CC will die, while those with CC will pray to draw any CC to stop that beast. With Immolations and Ruby Dragons, you can even achieve a 3 turn victory, which is too much, IMO.
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Regarding Earth/Basalt Dragon, as it's said, its only problem is being overshadowed by Shriekers, so I don't see the point on buffing it.
When talking about Shriekers compared to the Ruby dragons you should make those 10|4 (upped, as is the Ruby)
Unupped they are 8|3 and 12|3

but ontopic, i don't see the point of buffing the  :earth Dragon, they are good enough..
And as been said many times before, only overshadowed by shriekers.

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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg258952#msg258952
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2011, 12:00:24 pm »
This is a bit of a skewed comparison. The shrieker is 10/4 for 8  :earth, which is quite good. Some might even call it OP. The graboid turns INTO a shrieker for 3  :earth and 1  :time, but with a tempo down and the obvious problem of another element. (If graboid cost 5  :earth, with mark of  :gravity one would be cruising of course.) Still there are many complaints about the graboid anyway, but if you made the evolved form of graboid 8/4 or 8/3, it's a pretty big nerf. 9 is not possible, since it burrows. Here the actual shrieker would still exist in the game as 10/4.

The actual problem is our stone/basalt dragon. This is a totally fine unit as an endgame hitter. I've heard people talking about making some type of earth stall. (Rewind/BB/diamond shield or something.) Now, then you save up some quantas, cast a few stone skins, and lay the dragons out. It is totally possible and there is nothing against 2 or 3 dragons in an earth deck, unless if you are talking a pure rush. You don't overcome the blistering attack of graboid/antlion/golem, and now even the shrieker looks useless. You could have 2 shriekers in your hand while an army of small units had already killed the opponent. :P

The problem is a pure rush is so popular and the 4! other attackers are just so good. That brings us back to the ''redundancy'' argumentation, which is, IMHO, not objective a reason for a buff. People will naturally pick the high attack units with the lowest possible defence. This is because the game is so fast. Better would be to balance the game, so we see more uses for high defence and people will vary the play more.

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To prove my point, I have built a stallers deck with 6 dragons, a few shields, granite skin and 13 pillars. Best is to pair with quicksand and rewinds, but quicksand and the pulvy is playable.

TANKS AI5 almost always, often at 200/300 HP. You do not even have to play the first 10 turns :P
 
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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg277691#msg277691
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2011, 03:37:21 pm »
This thing does not need a buff. NNNNNEEERRRRRFFFFFF!!

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Re: Stone Dragon | Basalt Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg277940#msg277940
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2011, 09:43:45 pm »
some motivation would be nice?

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Stone Dragon|Basilik Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg401010#msg401010
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2011, 08:25:18 am »
Yes multiquestion poll. 2 votes for all(vote for both questions)

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Re: Stone Dragon|Basilik Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg401015#msg401015
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2011, 08:45:00 am »







I think that if something is balanced in the game it is the group of 24 dragons ... Each has strength and weakness and they reflect well their element. Don't touch them please.

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Re: Stone Dragon|Basilik Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg401266#msg401266
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2011, 07:38:40 pm »
What's a basilisk dragon? It's a basalt dragon.

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Re: Stone Dragon|Basilik Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18216.msg401572#msg401572
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2011, 12:18:13 pm »
i agree, every dragon has a weakness and strenth.  i think you are thinking of basilisk blood, not balalt dragon.

 

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