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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1167909#msg1167909
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2014, 02:27:38 pm »
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1167937#msg1167937
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1167999#msg1167999
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2014, 06:21:30 am »
If life had even one card that scaled with quanta rustler would see far more play.

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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1168000#msg1168000
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2014, 07:17:35 am »
What if rustlers would stack?

1 rustler->1 :light for 1 :life
2 rustlers->1 :light for 2 :life

And so on. (yes, I know current rustler is 1 :light for 2 :life )

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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1168001#msg1168001
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2014, 07:23:30 am »
What if rustlers would stack?

1 rustler->1 :light for 1 :life
2 rustlers->1 :light for 2 :life

And so on. (yes, I know current rustler is 1 :light for 2 :life )

That would be more a nerf than a buff. You have to bring two out to have the same as now, and three to benefit of it. This makes it's vulnerability to CC even stronger. Also, in most cases rustlers are there to produce fast quanta and rush with... your dragons (probably Life Nymphs), except you're waiting for Hope first.

1|4 - 1|5 woldn't hurt to anyone. Yes, it's problem is only the CC. See, a  :life rush can be faster with  :life mark and all  :light pillars and some Rustlers than just  :life pillars. Also FFQ decks can use their  :light only for Hopes and send the rest to  :life

Increasing HP sounds good. It's still not unbeatable, but doesn't die from almost anything.


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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1168003#msg1168003
« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2014, 07:26:50 am »
How about starting from 1 :light for 2 :life and increasing by 1 :life for each other rustler?

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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1168089#msg1168089
« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2014, 06:03:53 pm »
come on, give me ONE deck that uses this. seriously we have no decks that will ever EVER use this in it's current state that i know of.
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1179051#msg1179051
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2015, 05:03:03 pm »
While rustler is very vulnerable to cc, it is also very powerful in decks that use it, so I think it's fine. 

However Leaf Dragon seems a little lacking to me.  This is because one of the main decks that uses leaf dragons (Firefly queen) can't use it anymore when upgraded, due to fireflies producing fire quanta instead of light quanta.  In this tread showing decks that use rustler/leaf dragon, they all use rustlers, and most use fireflies.  It looks to me like many of them would be destroyed when all cards are upgraded (or rather rustler/leaf dragon would be removed for better options).

So, in interest of leaf dragon remaining reliant when upgraded, I think it should be able to convert either :fire or :light quanta into  :life :life (randomly chosen).  This allows FFQ decks to use it in the same capacity upped as unupped, while retaining the ability for any old decks that used it to use it without it being any weaker or more powerful then before. 

If this is impossible, I would say 1 of any element converted into  :life :life, but then you run into the problem of  :life ->  :life :life infinitely, so that would have to be prevented somehow.  (max times it can be cast?  Ability can't be activated if you only have life quanta?)

A third way it could be buffed is simply reducing the cost of the creature to 0.  This would make it much easier to include in decks since you don't have to worry about getting the first :life you need in order to start your :life generation. 

Alternatively, a buff to this card would be if upgraded fireflies gave  :light instead of  :fire.
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1179194#msg1179194
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2015, 09:37:35 pm »
I second raising HP to 1/3|1/5. Rustler is a very powerful card in the right deck, but the deck completely falls apart if the Rustler gets CC'd. The problem is not Rustler's ability, cost, or utility, but its vulnerability.
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1179207#msg1179207
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2015, 01:47:30 am »
While rustler is very vulnerable to cc, it is also very powerful in decks that use it, so I think it's fine. 

However Leaf Dragon seems a little lacking to me.  This is because one of the main decks that uses leaf dragons (Firefly queen) can't use it anymore when upgraded, due to fireflies producing fire quanta instead of light quanta.  In this tread showing decks that use rustler/leaf dragon, they all use rustlers, and most use fireflies.  It looks to me like many of them would be destroyed when all cards are upgraded (or rather rustler/leaf dragon would be removed for better options).

So, in interest of leaf dragon remaining reliant when upgraded, I think it should be able to convert either :fire or :light quanta into  :life :life (randomly chosen).  This allows FFQ decks to use it in the same capacity upped as unupped, while retaining the ability for any old decks that used it to use it without it being any weaker or more powerful then before. 

If this is impossible, I would say 1 of any element converted into  :life :life, but then you run into the problem of  :life ->  :life :life infinitely, so that would have to be prevented somehow.  (max times it can be cast?  Ability can't be activated if you only have life quanta?)

A third way it could be buffed is simply reducing the cost of the creature to 0.  This would make it much easier to include in decks since you don't have to worry about getting the first :life you need in order to start your :life generation. 

Alternatively, a buff to this card would be if upgraded fireflies gave  :light instead of  :fire.
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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1179214#msg1179214
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2015, 02:09:14 am »
Unupped rustler can be used in life/light rushes AND queen decks.  Upped leaf dragons can only be used in life/light rushes.  The proposed changes (by me) allow for upped leaf dragons to be used in life/light rushes, and in queen decks, aka the same as it's used for unupped. 

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Re: Rustler l Leaf dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37335.msg1179230#msg1179230
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2015, 05:40:53 am »
Unupped and upped FFQ decks are completely different decks. Proposing to make them the same is sort of stupid.
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