[Official] Reflective shield | Mirror Shield

[OldTrees]

Since most of the berfing options in the poll revolve around nerfing its PC resistance, I'd like to give another option for consideration:
It could be changed to not reflect the spell damage, but return it (while for the buff part it would get more creature damage protection as well). The way elements is coded now, if the initial damage will be a killing blow, the returned damage does not trigger at all. Thoughts?

DR 1|1
Cost 2 |1
Immaterial
Return spell damage

[esran]

added to poll. thank you for the suggestion.

[rosutosefi]

Reflective Shield is perfectly fine as is ؟
Do people really want light to be the element of specific card hate?

[OldTrees]

Reflective Shield is perfectly fine as is ؟
Do people really want light to be the element of specific card hate?

I am not able to determine if you are for or against a berf.

I support a berf to move light away from being the element of specific card hate.

[esran]

if you will note, every option on my poll except not changing it aattempts to stop reflective shield from hating. if you have a different suggestion, then i will add it to pull. as oldtree says, this is a berf thread not a buff thread, and i personally think this forunm would be better off with a "berf this card!" section.

[rosutosefi]

Reflective Shield is perfectly fine as is ؟
Do people really want light to be the element of specific card hate?

I am not able to determine if you are for or against a berf.

I support a berf to move light away from being the element of specific card hate.

I support a berf. The number of people voting "perfectly fine as is" is disappointing. They could have at least stated a reason, because I need some points to argue with...

if you will note, every option on my poll except not changing it aattempts to stop reflective shield from hating. if you have a different suggestion, then i will add it to pull. as oldtree says, this is a berf thread not a buff thread, and i personally think this forunm would be better off with a "berf this card!" section.

Seconded. And has been suggested too many times. That's why I don't like to touch this forum section anymore.

[Captain Scibra]

I support a berf to the card.

I think I can address the nerf area of the card to similarly addressing the issue seen with protecting permanents, particularly weapons and shields.  A couple suggestions is that a spell card that removes the opponent's weapon or shield, or a creature that can do so with a successful attack.  To separate the styles, I feel the creature approach is appropriate for shields, since they are directly involved with each other.  The spell can be preferred and stronger against weapons, by making it less situational and hard to avoid by making it capable of removing flown weapons.  This would also tempt more synergy involved when using 'indestructible' shields.

To address the buff area of the card is rather difficult, since its situational attributes are harder to generalize like my methods of suggesting nerfs.  Raising the DR would make it match that of Emerald Shield | Jade Shield.  I'll have to think about this area more.
EDIT: Another dilemma that this card has is, due to the self-counter, a buff might just as easily buff the opponent that uses it to bypass the other.  Particularly this means buffing reflectivity is not the best choice.

[rosutosefi]

I think the reason why more people are voting on "perfectly fine as is" is because this is in the BUFF thread. Some people just open the thread, derp and say "Oh what the heck, buff this card? It's good enough." and select perfectly fine as is. For everyone's sake, please read the friggin argument! We would have to stay with the Buff this Card section since there is no place for berfs, so deal with it. We're not for an outright +1 DR to Mirror Shield. We're here to give it more uses. Do you really use Mirror Shield often enough that you would say it's a perfectly fine card? And do you love how you can't do anything against it when it hits the field and you have an UG or a bolt deck? We all love that, right?

[/rage]

[esran]

i would like to mention that no poll option suggests increasing the dr of the upped, simply giving the unupped 1 dr. the reason for this is a dont want to clone jade shield, and a 2 dr shield would have to cost a ton and ruin the point of mirror shield. this means that the upped and unupped will have the same dr. can anybody give suggestions of what advatange over the unuppeed the upped could have, besides a simple cost decrease?

[OldTrees]

i would like to mention that no poll option suggests increasing the dr of the upped, simply giving the unupped 1 dr. the reason for this is a dont want to clone jade shield, and a 2 dr shield would have to cost a ton and ruin the point of mirror shield. this means that the upped and unupped will have the same dr. can anybody give suggestions of what advatange over the unupped the upped could have, besides a simple cost decrease?

I would like to point out that a simple cost decrease is a simple and valuable benefit. Keep It Short and Simple.

[Cannibal7]

what about reflect the first 5 damage every turn instead of reflecting everything and reducing the cost?

[ratcharmer]

These are always tricky because they're hard counters to specific strategies--they either do nothing at all or  they completely shut your opponent down with a single card.

Not really sure how to fix it.