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how should this card be changed

no changes, its perfectly fine how it is.
25 (50%)
add damage resist to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it semi PC protection with limited uses.
8 (16%)
add damage resistance to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it bonewall style PC resistance where bolts also remove counters.
4 (8%)
option 3 but also give it a way to restore counters
3 (6%)
something else that i will say in comments
7 (14%)
remove the card entirely because i hate it
1 (2%)
add dr and make it return rather than reflect spell damage
2 (4%)

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What sort of buff would make these shields competitive?

No buff; they're fine how they are
Reflect all spells; no balancing
Reflect all spells; remove protection from PA
Reflect all spells; remove damage reduction
Other - post below

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg505352#msg505352
« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2012, 08:26:50 am »
Same here, reflective shield should be able to reflect other spells that implicitly target, like silence, poison, black hole and so on

Agreed, especially as Unstable Gas is already reflected.

On the other hand, having a shield that reflects Silence and Black Hole in the element of Sanc is iffy.

As I wrote in other topic: JadeShield shouldn't reflect UG (it isn't a spell) but should reflect BH, Poison, Silence etc. We should change this or change card text, because now text is different than ability.

Actually, UG's 'skill' of explode is actually a spell, just the same as Physila's poison.

So when I have Hourglass and JadeShield then card should be draw for opponent, not for me?

What is more - there is no logic in Your opinion, because "spell" from UG is reflected, but "spell" from Phylasia no.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2012, 08:36:17 am by Atico »

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg505354#msg505354
« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2012, 08:35:10 am »
Oh, come on guys! If these two shields reflect EVERY kind of spell (Silence, Poison, Black Hole etc.) they would become totally broken and no one would play any other shield any more. There is not any global Spell Counter in this game and IMO there shouldn't be. They already reflect damage dealing spells and creatures buffed with Shard of Wisdom suffer greatly due to these shields, why should we buff them to hell?

If you put it like that...
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg509983#msg509983
« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2012, 03:40:27 am »
These shields would be better if it were common for cards to have both physical and spell damage. Then they could be somewhat effective most of the time, and extremely effective some times. As it stands they are worthless most of the time, and occasionally autowin. Everyone hates cards like this.

So here is a proposal: Make a new attribute (like flying) called "magical" spread it liberally over all the existing creatures (fire spirit, forest spirit, most dragons, most weapons, etc.). Magical creatures do half physical damage (rounded up) and half spell damage (rounded down) if they hit. So they are still fully blocked by physical shields, but also partially reflected by reflective/mirror shield and emerald shield.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg509992#msg509992
« Reply #75 on: June 11, 2012, 04:33:38 am »
I think we'll have to wait until shards of wisdom (as well as psions) slowly make their way into more players' decks, before judging these shields.  Maybe I'm an outlier but I still haven't gotten a single shard of wisdom.  Once more players have them-- and I'm sure players will be using them, based on some of the wicked SoW decks I've encountered in gold arena-- these shields will be more powerful.

Here's a little food for thought..  want a cheap  :aether- :light duo version of Antimatter?  Throw a quintessence on the enemy's creature and then hit it with Shard of Wisdom, while holding a mirror shield...  (well, not antimatter precisely, it'll hurt them instead of heal you, semantics semantics)

Edit:  Soon as I wrote in this thread that I hadn't gotten a single SoW, I got my first one from a normal spin in bronze  :o
« Last Edit: June 11, 2012, 10:02:41 am by Xamuel »

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510019#msg510019
« Reply #76 on: June 11, 2012, 05:33:35 am »
As there are currently only 2 counters to CC(quint and sofr) maybe we could give it a sofr-like effect. 25% chance to eeflect CC to the opponents side of the field

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510021#msg510021
« Reply #77 on: June 11, 2012, 05:35:25 am »
As there are currently only 2 counters to CC(quint and sofr) maybe we could give it a sofr-like effect. 25% chance to eeflect CC to the opponents side of the field
What? No! That'd be a way too big buff for them. Besides, you're using the shield to protect yourself, it's not that huge as to cover your entire field.

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510023#msg510023
« Reply #78 on: June 11, 2012, 05:38:38 am »
Ok, bad idea.
But how about this, many shields block 1(2upped) damage in addition to their effect. So, buff damage blocked by one?

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510029#msg510029
« Reply #79 on: June 11, 2012, 05:49:19 am »
Ok, bad idea.
But how about this, many shields block 1(2upped) damage in addition to their effect. So, buff damage blocked by one?
You'd need a heavy cost raise.
Mirror shield would be 1dr+reflect for 1 :light and 2dr+reflect for 2 :light
while jade/emerald would be 2dr+reflect for 5 :life and 3dr+reflect for 7 :life completely shaming diamond|titanium shield and permafrost and the others.

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510033#msg510033
« Reply #80 on: June 11, 2012, 06:08:31 am »
Sorry, completely missed that jade already reducs damage.
And yes, mirror might cost 3-4, but i think +1 dr would let it see more use.

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510205#msg510205
« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2012, 06:53:03 pm »
Sorry, completely missed that jade already reducs damage.
And yes, mirror might cost 3-4, but i think +1 dr would let it see more use.
4 :light for 2dr and spell reflect? Sounds like quite a deal to me.

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510248#msg510248
« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2012, 08:18:50 pm »
4 unupped, this would be similar to jade shield

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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg510334#msg510334
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2012, 03:27:53 am »
Here's a little food for thought..  want a cheap  :aether- :light duo version of Antimatter?  Throw a quintessence on the enemy's creature and then hit it with Shard of Wisdom, while holding a mirror shield...  (well, not antimatter precisely, it'll hurt them instead of heal you, semantics semantics)

I've tried to make a deck that does this, but it ends up being too many cards to be reliable. The problem is that the shield is useless without the quint + shard. The shard is only useful by itself if you use immortal creatures, and the quint is only useful by itself if you don't. I tried to use anubis instead of quint, but there is not really enough room in the deck to reliably get the combo out. That makes shard useful only offensively (in competitive decks), as far as I can tell.

 

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