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how should this card be changed

no changes, its perfectly fine how it is.
25 (50%)
add damage resist to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it semi PC protection with limited uses.
8 (16%)
add damage resistance to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it bonewall style PC resistance where bolts also remove counters.
4 (8%)
option 3 but also give it a way to restore counters
3 (6%)
something else that i will say in comments
7 (14%)
remove the card entirely because i hate it
1 (2%)
add dr and make it return rather than reflect spell damage
2 (4%)

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What sort of buff would make these shields competitive?

No buff; they're fine how they are
Reflect all spells; no balancing
Reflect all spells; remove protection from PA
Reflect all spells; remove damage reduction
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245597#msg245597
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 02:22:41 am »
I believe cards are made to play against AI or other players, but it must atleast be balanced against the AI. That said this card is more for use against the AI than anything else.
Cards should be balanced for PvP. If a card is weak against the AI, then the computer decks can altered to allow the card to become useful. If a card is weak in PvP, zanz cannot decide what decks your opponents use in PvP. Also, having more viable cards allows for a deeper metagame and more viable decks. Against AI, however, there is no metagame because the AI decks do not change based on what cards players use. Increasing the amount of viable cards to use against the AI will barely increase the amount of viable decks because the AI will use the same decks every time.
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245712#msg245712
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2011, 04:47:15 am »
Thats only 1 way of looking at it, if you don't have cards that do really well against the AI the game would be alot different.
Besides just because a card was made to favor AI over PvP play dose not mean it is pointless to use in PvP, with good deck building just about any card in this game can be put to good PvP use.

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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245719#msg245719
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2011, 04:56:41 am »
Yes, some cards are made to favor AI play and that is OK as long as they are balanced in PvP. However, this card is not viable as a few of us have explained earlier. If a card is balanced against AI but unbalanced in PvP, the card is unbalanced.

The card is not pointless in PvP; it will occasionally have a use. Having such an uncommon use prevents it from being worth using in PvP play. It would not be a wise decision to put this in a PvP deck; thus, it needs a buff.
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245727#msg245727
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2011, 05:03:49 am »
Maybe I missed something but did it kill out the Fire Bolt OTK deck or did that deck die to something else? If Reflective Shield killed a deck from unupped PvP then is it not not UP? (< not a typo)
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245748#msg245748
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2011, 05:29:54 am »
Maybe I missed something but did it kill out the Fire Bolt OTK deck or did that deck die to something else? If Reflective Shield killed a deck from unupped PvP then is it not not UP? (< not a typo)
It doesn't really kill them because they can just toss in a Reflective Shield and a Nova then to otk they throw down the reflective shield and target themselves.



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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245819#msg245819
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2011, 08:31:24 am »
QuanntumT, Zse, how do those 2 subpar decks that can't be countered by Reflective Shield prove that Reflective Shield is useful against anything but itself and UG's?
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245850#msg245850
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2011, 10:50:48 am »
QuanntumT, Zse, how do those 2 subpar decks that can't be countered by Reflective Shield prove that Reflective Shield is useful against anything but itself and UG's?
To be honest, I was trying to be a bit funny with the deck that I chose (did you note the deck maker ;) ). A bit more seriously, it would help against a drain life devourtal or a fire stall, both of which I think are reasonably strong decks.

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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg245961#msg245961
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2011, 03:45:24 pm »
QuanntumT, Zse, how do those 2 subpar decks that can't be countered by Reflective Shield prove that Reflective Shield is useful against anything but itself and UG's?
Reflective Shield really does cost too little (1 :light, 1draw, 1card slot) to be able to outright counter a deck. It should and is advantageous in that it negates, on average, a part of the opponents offense
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg246013#msg246013
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2011, 04:54:36 pm »
QuanntumT, Zse, how do those 2 subpar decks that can't be countered by Reflective Shield prove that Reflective Shield is useful against anything but itself and UG's?
To be honest, I was trying to be a bit funny with the deck that I chose (did you note the deck maker ;) ). A bit more seriously, it would help against a drain life devourtal or a fire stall, both of which I think are reasonably strong decks.
Yes, I know it's a deck used by Light. The thing is the deck works better when it's bigger, and as a decker.


The thing is, if you're using a deck with only bolts to win, the deck is not good. Most bolters are either deckers, or have other means of dealing damage too, and thus the Reflector doesn't really help. The point is this card is as situational as the old HL, meaning that if you dont' know for sure it will help, there's no need to use it. 1 Damage Block would help (and switch the cost of the upped with the unupped)
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg246049#msg246049
« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2011, 06:21:39 pm »
The point is this card is as situational as the old HL, meaning that if you dont' know for sure it will help, there's no need to use it. 1 Damage Block would help (and switch the cost of the upped with the unupped)
We already have that, that card is called Emerald Shield and it costs 5 :life!
Now you want to get that same card for just 2 :light...  :)) ^-^ :P ;D :))
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg246059#msg246059
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2011, 06:45:54 pm »
The point is this card is as situational as the old HL, meaning that if you dont' know for sure it will help, there's no need to use it. 1 Damage Block would help (and switch the cost of the upped with the unupped)
We already have that, that card is called Emerald Shield and it costs 5 :life!
Now you want to get that same card for just 2 :light...  :)) ^-^ :P ;D :))
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OK... so you're suggesting that the 1 damage blocked difference between Reflective and Emerald is worth 4 quanta? Ugh, right... Emerald shield is just as UP, compared to cards like Ice Shield, or Dusk Mantle. If you have no point to make rather than insulting me at an infantile level, please stop posting. Ever.
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Re: Reflective Shield (Unupped Version Only) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg246074#msg246074
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2011, 07:12:27 pm »
calm down people. I and many others think that this card needs a definite buff and hopefully it will. it has a skill that is not extensive enough to be used to a proper degree and is a waste of space in the bazaar.

 

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