[Official] Reflective shield | Mirror Shield

[rosutosefi]

make the unnuped to stop 1 attack and cost 2  quanta and make upped the same but to cost only a quanta

Emerald Shield.

yes...75% the same but there is a deference...upped emerald stops 2 attack and my idea will stop 1.

costs 5, Immaterial and blocks 1. It's the same with your unupped reflective shield proposal, just costs more.

[Ilias22]

make the unnuped to stop 1 attack and cost 2  quanta and make upped the same but to cost only a quanta

Emerald Shield.

yes...75% the same but there is a deference...upped emerald stops 2 attack and my idea will stop 1.

costs 5, Immaterial and blocks 1. It's the same with your unupped reflective shield proposal, just costs more.

yes that i am talking about.

[kira666]

Emerald Shield and Reflective shield looks the same too much.
Yes, Reflective shield needs to block more:

2/4
blocks 1/2
Reflect and Protected


But then, we need to change Emerald Shield.
It could reflect only half damage, or something like:
4
Blocks 1dmg from attacks and spells. Deals 1 dmg back to enemy.

8
Blocks half damage, rounded down, from attacks and spells. Deals the blocked dmg to your enemy.

[OldTrees]

Emerald Shield and Reflective shield looks the same too much.
Yes, Reflective shield needs to block more:

2/4
blocks 1/2
Reflect and Protected


But then, we need to change Emerald Shield.
It could reflect only half damage, or something like:
4
Blocks 1dmg from attacks and spells. Deals 1 dmg back to enemy.

8
Blocks half damage, rounded down, from attacks and spells. Deals the blocked dmg to your enemy.

So Reflect would not only be cheaper but now it would be stronger too?

[esran]

i havent posted here in  awhile but i have some thoughts.
my idea was to leave emerald and jade shield alone. they seem to cost enough to warrant spell immunity.
my idea is to change reflective shield such tht its situationalness is removed and it no longer blocks all spells.
the reason it would be cheaper than jade shield is because it would have limited use, and the upped would still only have 1 dr.
obviously this needs more balancing, and probably even warrants a cost increase for the unupped, based on which of the ideas is used.

[kira666]

Emerald Shield and Reflective shield looks the same too much.
Yes, Reflective shield needs to block more:

2/4
blocks 1/2
Reflect and Protected


But then, we need to change Emerald Shield.
It could reflect only half damage, or something like:
4
Blocks 1dmg from attacks and spells. Deals 1 dmg back to enemy.

8
Blocks half damage, rounded down, from attacks and spells. Deals the blocked dmg to your enemy.

So Reflect would not only be cheaper but now it would be stronger too?

Reflect Shield is stronger against Spell Damage and weaker against normal damage (Reflects all Spell Damage but only Blocks 1 or 2 normal damage), and costs more than now.
Emerald Shield is good against both (Reflects few/half damage of both Spell and normal damage).

Each shield working it's way.
No Emerald or Reflect shield being as good as Wings, Bone Wall or Phase Shield, but able to block Spell Damage.

Of course, we still need more cards to work against Shard of Wisdom.

[OldTrees]

Emerald Shield and Reflective shield looks the same too much.
Yes, Reflective shield needs to block more:

2/4
blocks 1/2
Reflect and Protected


But then, we need to change Emerald Shield.
It could reflect only half damage, or something like:
4
Blocks 1dmg from attacks and spells. Deals 1 dmg back to enemy.

8
Blocks half damage, rounded down, from attacks and spells. Deals the blocked dmg to your enemy.

So Reflect would not only be cheaper but now it would be stronger too?

Reflect Shield is stronger against Spell Damage and weaker against normal damage (Reflects all Spell Damage but only Blocks 1 or 2 normal damage), and costs more than now.
Emerald Shield is good against both (Reflects few/half damage of both Spell and normal damage).

Each shield working it's way.
No Emerald or Reflect shield being as good as Wings, Bone Wall or Phase Shield, but able to block Spell Damage.

Of course, we still need more cards to work against Shard of Wisdom.

I was referring to Reflect being cheaper and stronger than the unupped emerald.

[kira666]

was referring to Reflect being cheaper and stronger than the unupped emerald.

Unupped emerald deals 1dmg back for normal and spell damage. Its like a Fire Shield (costs 6), but for the opponent (much more HP than a creature), and still blocks 1dmg.
It may be even OP, if you consider Aflatoxin.

I think quanta is balanced, not sure.

[meowww]

Myself like what it does for now, I will hate it if any nerf going to place on its Anti-PC or counter spell abilities.
If you can think of some abilities don't raise its cost above 3, I might like it.
I am enjoying it with Quint+SoWis, they aren't too strong, but more fun than always anti-matter.

[jawdirk]

I just had an idea on how to fix these cards.

Add the text "If this shield replaces or is replaced by a different shield, draw a card." This will make these cards playable in any deck without getting in the way of running another shield that actually does something in most games. The "a different shield" prevents reflective shield from being used as a buffed precognition.

[OldTrees]

I just had an idea on how to fix these cards.

Add the text "If this shield replaces or is replaced by a different shield, draw a card." This will make these cards playable in any deck without getting in the way of running another shield that actually does something in most games. The "a different shield" prevents reflective shield from being used as a buffed precognition.

Interesting. However buffing both high and low usages of a situational card does not equalize those uses.

[jawdirk]

I just had an idea on how to fix these cards.

Add the text "If this shield replaces or is replaced by a different shield, draw a card." This will make these cards playable in any deck without getting in the way of running another shield that actually does something in most games. The "a different shield" prevents reflective shield from being used as a buffed precognition.

Interesting. However buffing both high and low usages of a situational card does not equalize those uses.

I agree. I think combining the above with making them no longer immaterial would equalize. Imagine you were running these and some other shield against a deck with both physical and spell damage. There would be cases where you would be unsure whether to replace your shield; for example, you might have to weigh having backup against PC + physical protection vs. spell reflection and drawing. That seems like a more interesting choice than what we have now. Note also that this effect isn't as good as precognition because it is a 2-card combo. Precognition is already fairly marginal, so you are still getting punished a little bit when you use this effect.

Then again, it might be a little bit OP. Imagine running 6 reflecting shields + 6 dim shields. On the last turn of the dim shield, you play a reflective shield and then a dim shield, and draw two cards. Perhaps you should only draw a card when reflecting shield is replaced?