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how should this card be changed

no changes, its perfectly fine how it is.
25 (50%)
add damage resist to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it semi PC protection with limited uses.
8 (16%)
add damage resistance to the unupped, raise its cost, and give it bonewall style PC resistance where bolts also remove counters.
4 (8%)
option 3 but also give it a way to restore counters
3 (6%)
something else that i will say in comments
7 (14%)
remove the card entirely because i hate it
1 (2%)
add dr and make it return rather than reflect spell damage
2 (4%)

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What sort of buff would make these shields competitive?

No buff; they're fine how they are
Reflect all spells; no balancing
Reflect all spells; remove protection from PA
Reflect all spells; remove damage reduction
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg525788#msg525788
« Reply #120 on: July 26, 2012, 11:21:35 am »
Hold on, I thought immaterial was in-element with Aether?
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg525792#msg525792
« Reply #121 on: July 26, 2012, 11:25:04 am »
Quote from: Annele on July 26, 2012, 11:21:35 am
Hold on, I thought immaterial was in-element with Aether?

 No, Immortality is in-element with :aether (Phase Dragon, Immortal, Quintessence). Immaterial, which is "immortality" for permanents, is in-element with :light (Reflective Shield, Hope, Morning Star).  ;)
  :earth seems to has a little of both; immortality through burrowing, immaterial through Enchant Artifact.
  :life has only immaterial (Emerald Shield).
  :light and :fire have also immortality through Seraph.
  :time and :aether have also immortality through Anubis.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg525961#msg525961
« Reply #122 on: July 26, 2012, 07:34:53 pm »
I noticed this after playing my version of zen with one of these: it reflects purify, but not poison.
an easy buff to these shields would be making them reflect the poison spell. because poison is so often found throughout the meta this would become a much better card both for arena and pvp.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg525971#msg525971
« Reply #123 on: July 26, 2012, 07:44:35 pm »
Quote from: bobknows on July 26, 2012, 07:34:53 pm
I noticed this after playing my version of zen with one of these: it reflects purify, but not poison.
an easy buff to these shields would be making them reflect the poison spell. because poison is so often found throughout the meta this would become a much better card both for arena and pvp.
Poison doesn't target. Purify targets.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg528065#msg528065
« Reply #124 on: August 01, 2012, 11:13:59 pm »
One thing that would make these shields (and any similar ones that may come in the future) more useful would be adding more sources of spell damage.
Another would be to have them generate quanta when they activate.
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg528068#msg528068
« Reply #125 on: August 01, 2012, 11:19:55 pm »
Generating quanta may be a little bit OP, considering they're Immaterial.

Perhaps just making all non-AoE spells targetable would be a way to not only provide a soft buff to these shields, but also to standardize the way spells work in EtG as a whole?
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg531951#msg531951
« Reply #126 on: August 11, 2012, 01:58:23 pm »
They should cost -1 quanta  :light/ :life
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg532061#msg532061
« Reply #127 on: August 11, 2012, 09:31:53 pm »
Quote from: Ilias22 on August 11, 2012, 01:58:23 pm
They should cost -1 quanta  :light/ :life


Gogo free immaterial shield!
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Re: Reflective Shield / Mirror Shield (Also Emerald/Jade Shield) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg532181#msg532181
« Reply #128 on: August 12, 2012, 08:08:04 am »
Quote from: Annele on August 11, 2012, 09:31:53 pm
Quote from: Ilias22 on August 11, 2012, 01:58:23 pm
They should cost -1 quanta  :light/ :life


Gogo free immaterial shield!
Why not??? 8)
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Re: Reflective shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg533315#msg533315
« Reply #129 on: August 15, 2012, 10:05:24 am »
make the unnuped to stop 1 attack and cost 2  :light quanta and make upped the same but to cost only a :light quanta
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Re: Reflective shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg533325#msg533325
« Reply #130 on: August 15, 2012, 11:15:10 am »
Quote from: Ilias22 on August 15, 2012, 10:05:24 am
make the unnuped to stop 1 attack and cost 2  :light quanta and make upped the same but to cost only a :light quanta

Emerald Shield.
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Re: Reflective shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19247.msg533326#msg533326
« Reply #131 on: August 15, 2012, 11:17:01 am »
Quote from: rosutosefi on August 15, 2012, 11:15:10 am
Quote from: Ilias22 on August 15, 2012, 10:05:24 am
make the unnuped to stop 1 attack and cost 2  :light quanta and make upped the same but to cost only a :light quanta

Emerald Shield.
yes...75% the same but there is a deference...upped emerald stops 2 attack and my idea will stop 1.
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