[Official] Red Nymph | Fire Nymph

[Skydaemon]

Suggesting this because I think the upped fire nymph is worse than unupped.  Either the upgraded one should be buffed, or the regular one nerfed.  It might not be an issue if you always assume it will only ever be played with a shard of readiness, but I'm not assuming that.

Right now, if you use the rage skill 3 times on upped, it's the same cost as 4 uses on regular (12 fire cost for the skills).

For 12 fire the regular card gives you:
4 times +5/-5.  Against opponent that's potentially 4 dead creatures, or -20hp total to a big one.  On your own creatures, that's potentially +20 atk total, and easier to use at all (ie, without killing your creature) due to only losing 5hp instead of 6, which makes it usable on more of your own creatures.

For 12 fire the upped care gives you:
3 times +6/-6.  Against opponent that's potentially 3 dead creatures, or -18hp total to a big one.  On your own creatures, that's potentially +18 atk total, and harder to use as it kills most creatures (even a number of upped dragons) that hasn't been grown in hp.

I suppose the regular is slightly more defensive, and the upped is more offensive in nature based on it's likelihood of killing the target.  The upped card has +1 hp as well, but I don't view it as important (although it is needed to use the +/-6 rage on itself).

//-Also, even the regular upped rage potion is the same cost as unupped (3 each).  So decreasing the usage cost on the upped nymph makes it similar to the rage cards.

[guolin]

Yeah, the ability cost just seems out of place. 3 shouldn't be a major buff, so I'm fine with it. Also, upping a nymph these days is almost as bad as selling a nymph, and if the upped version is worse than the unupped, then there's absolutely no reason to up it.

[Ryli]

Most alchemy spells are the same or more expensive than the nymph. So I think beserk (I think that's the upped one) should be reduced to 3. It also gives improvement from Red Nymph when you upgrade it.

[Ryli]

upping a nymph these days is almost as bad as selling a nymph

I'd rather sell one. At least you profit from that.

[kintar]

upping a nymph these days is almost as bad as selling a nymph

I'd rather sell one. At least you profit from that.

What's so bad about upping a nymph? It helps you in situations outside of unupped card tournaments.

And back on topic, I agree that the cost increase is kinda strange. Both versions should cost 3 imo.

And I misclicked and accidentally voted for the last option instead of the first... 

[Ryli]

What's so bad about upping a nymph? It helps you in situations outside of unupped card tournaments.

Nothing bad, but if you make a deck it most likely won't be something you upgrade till the end, as they have less advantage upped than many other cards.

[Dan43]

I would think a good solution would be to make the rage +6/-4. Anybody with me? 

[Ryli]

I would think a good solution would be to make the rage +6/-4. Anybody with me? 

Only useful if you're buffing your own creatures.
If you want it as a killing tool what you would have before killed (5/6 hp) becomes buffed.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I definetly think this one needs a buff, with +6/-6 the burning angels suddenly doesn't work that well anymore, since you need two angels per nymph to keep up the healing, and you have to pay more quanta for it as well?! Definetly lower ability cost, to begin with.

[Dan43]

I would think a good solution would be to make the rage +6/-4. Anybody with me? 

Only useful if you're buffing your own creatures.
If you want it as a killing tool what you would have before killed (5/6 hp) becomes buffed.

Then maybe the ability should be the same (cost, everything) and it could have 1|9.

[genraenera]

I couldn't agree more with the opening post.  Make the upped nymph's ability cost 3 and that'll fix this.  Sure the synergy with archangels is still broken, but it would wreck in a fire stall, or even any rainbow that could fund it.

[Ryli]

I couldn't agree more with the opening post.  Make the upped nymph's ability cost 3 and that'll fix this.  Sure the synergy with archangels is still broken, but it would wreck in a fire stall, or even any rainbow that could fund it.

We can't have it synergize with everything (unfortunately ).

Just play unupped with Archangel's.