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Do you think Procrastination | Turtle Shield should be buffed? If so, how?

Buff it! Both shields should affect weapons.
32 (55.2%)
Buff it! Both shields should be cheaper.
4 (6.9%)
Buff it! Procrastination should be cheaper.
6 (10.3%)
Buff it! My suggestion is in the comments.
2 (3.4%)
This card is fine as is.
14 (24.1%)

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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1002253#msg1002253
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 01:57:26 am »
I like the idea that it affects weapons also.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1002254#msg1002254
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 02:00:45 am »
I prefer it than fire shield, I think it very efficient  and combines with theme of "time" also serves very good to dual decks, but I agree however that may be cheaper. 5 :time | 4 :time
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1002407#msg1002407
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 05:46:44 pm »
Both shields mst be cheaper by  :time .Also they must stop also weapons
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1002408#msg1002408
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 05:49:23 pm »
I'm going to voice the different opinion and say it is fine as is because delaying a creature every other turn does more harm than just causing that creature to miss half the time.

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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1002506#msg1002506
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2012, 12:45:18 am »
I would think that this card is slightly worse than Dusk Mantle just based on preventing damage from creatures (Procrastination is predictable, Dusk Mantle isn't), but I think it's a lot more useful to block abilities on alternate turns than it is to block weapons on alternate turns. The weapon is just a little extra damage (even Firestall, which of all decks probably relies most on its weapon's damage, can win without it), while abilities can make or break your entire strategy.

Honestly I don't see why this card isn't more used. Until I am convinced otherwise, my position is that it definitely doesn't need a buff.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003116#msg1003116
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2012, 06:57:56 am »
I fight this card often, And I don't think it needs a buff. It prevents creature effects every other turn, prevents their attack every other turn, Etc. Kills my deck to be honest. However, I think Turtle shield alone should be buffed AND nerfed at the same time. Buff being that it affects weapons like suggested, but the nerf being that it costs the same as Procrastination.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003128#msg1003128
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2012, 08:38:15 am »
I never understood why it wasn't affecting weapons. I obviously voted for that.

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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003138#msg1003138
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2012, 11:54:32 am »
 Turtle Shield = Dusk Mantle IMO. Turtle can't be screwed by RNG while Dusk can, so Turtle is more reliable than Dusk. It may let the first wave of attackers to pass through, but it also delays them and activated abilities can't be played. Furthermorem in a theoretical scenario of infinite turns, both shields block the same numbers of attacks (50%), but Turtle blocks abilities while Dusk blocks weapons. If Turtle delays weapons, then it would become OP. It won't only block a 50% of weapon's attacks, it will also prevent the from using their abilities for 1 turn. That hurts Owl's Eye, Lobotomizer, Trident, Pulverizer and Eternity a lot.
 I personally prefer Procrastination | Turtle Shield more than Dusk Mantle | Improved Dusk due to its reliability and I don't think any buff is needed.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003141#msg1003141
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2012, 12:04:26 pm »
The problem with surefire blocking and then surefire passing is that it swings too much, just like using Pendulums. You can screw both by timing. This is also why Dusk is more used, competitive-wise.
If the damage on field is enough to kill you in a turn, then Dusk is better because you can live for 2 turns or maybe more, enough for a comeback. Turtle will not block the damage and you die. This potential 1 turn is what makes it powerful.

Though, i agree, no buff needed.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003144#msg1003144
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2012, 12:11:46 pm »
The problem with surefire blocking and then surefire passing is that it swings too much, just like using Pendulums. You can screw both by timing. This is also why Dusk is more used, competitive-wise.
If the damage on field is enough to kill you in a turn, then Dusk is better because you can live for 2 turns or maybe more, enough for a comeback. Turtle will not block the damage and you die. This potential 1 turn is what makes it powerful.

Though, i agree, no buff needed.

Procrastination | Turtle Shield is better early in the game game.
Dusk Mantle | Improved Dusk is better later in the game.
Though very similar, these shields have slightly different advantages/disadvantages. Their power is of the same level, so no buff needed imo.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003152#msg1003152
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2012, 12:40:37 pm »
Procrastination | Turtle Shield is better early in the game game.
Dusk Mantle | Improved Dusk is better later in the game.
The problem comes with their cost, 6 :underworld, which is too costly to be gotten out effectively in first turn. Therefore late game shield wins in effectiveness.
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Re: Procrastination | Turtle Shield https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43654.msg1003158#msg1003158
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2012, 01:15:51 pm »
Procrastination | Turtle Shield is better early in the game game.
Dusk Mantle | Improved Dusk is better later in the game.
The problem comes with their cost, 6 :underworld, which is too costly to be gotten out effectively in first turn. Therefore late game shield wins in effectiveness.

Fantastic point.  Also, you can play dusk just as early as procrastination, and its not any worse early game. 
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