Post by: Naii_the_Baf on December 20, 2013, 12:51:56 am
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This card should have something to make it more special. Or is it only because it's cheap? Black Hole makes better for ruining your opponent's game, as Amber Nymph does so. Don't know why is it useful.... Also, Golden Nymph may be good, but the skill isn't so "special". Only "Draw a card" is a good thing. Why use 2..for a card draw and seeing your opponent's hand(which is useless)? That's why I'm asking to buff this card.
-fabian771
Post by: serprex on December 20, 2013, 12:55:28 am
Buff idea #2: precognition's hand revelation lasts for more than 1 turn. Potentially the whole game, but the idea doesn't require that
Post by: eljoemo on December 20, 2013, 01:02:49 am
I personally think that precognition is fine. I find that seeing your opponents hand can help guess their strategy and play around what they have. Compared to hourglasses, the card drawing comes without paying 4 :time first and seeing your opponents hand, but at the cost of only one use. Seems fair to me.
What I do think is a problem is Golden Nymph's ability. Other nymphs have the alchemy spell of their element but at a lower cost. Golden nymph's ability costs the same unupped and more upped than the card itself. But then it does pack some pretty nice stats so meh.
But I personally don't think precog needs a buff.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on December 20, 2013, 01:04:01 am
Buff idea #2: precognition's hand revelation lasts for more than 1 turn. Potentially the whole game, but the idea doesn't require that
I said that Precognition's hand revealing ability is useless. Did you read?
Post by: Dm on December 20, 2013, 01:22:02 am
Buff idea #2: precognition's hand revelation lasts for more than 1 turn. Potentially the whole game, but the idea doesn't require that
I said that Precognition's hand revealing ability is useless. Did you read?
It really isn't.
Let's suggest you're running an immo rush where you're against any rainbow deck. You have precognition.
You use Precognition and discover that your opponent has lightning in hand. Your hand currently has one photon, one immo, one nova, one golem, and one lycanthrope.
You'd be better off luring the Lightning with the Lycanthrope and then dumping Lava Golem on the table so that you have your best attacker out instead of getting it killed.
Sure, this is one cases out of many, many many, Many many many many where precognition's hand viewing skill is worth it to play around your opponent's strategy and current cards. Hell, I use precognition more for the card viewing than the drawing. I was running a ghostmare a while back and kept using Precognition every turn to monitor my opponents' hand (He was using a singularity OTK.) Once I saw he only had Antimatter and Chimera on hand (the two most important parts of the combo), I used the nightmare on the ghost. He couldn't OTK since he didn't have damage, and I broke the combo there and then.
Post by: andretimpa on December 20, 2013, 12:12:58 pm
That blue font just killed my eyes
I personally think that precognition is fine. I find that seeing your opponents hand can help guess their strategy and play around what they have. Compared to hourglasses, the card drawing comes without paying 4 :time first and seeing your opponents hand, but at the cost of only one use. Seems fair to me.
What I do think is a problem is Golden Nymph's ability. Other nymphs have the alchemy spell of their element but at a lower cost. Golden nymph's ability costs the same unupped and more upped than the card itself. But then it does pack some pretty nice stats so meh.
But I personally don't think precog needs a buff.
Just use SoR and you'll see how powerful this nymph can get. I think both the alchemy card and the nymph are fine. Plus, you can use precog to "reduce" your deck size, specially when upgraded.
Post by: Blacksmith on December 20, 2013, 12:24:37 pm
Post by: Keolino on December 20, 2013, 01:09:57 pm
Preco is actually a very good card. I might even cal it underrated just like silence. This game limits your deck to minimum 30 cards. For just :time you get to remov 1 card space from deck and see you opponents and know his deck tactic and how he can counter you with cc pc. For example you know if it's worth playign the shield or not etc etc.
I think the valueability of this cards depends highly on how you play, as well as which deck you play. Cards like nightmare and silence get better, you can get to know if you better keep your lightning in hand for the critter he will play next turn, if you should steal his pillar right now or he has a powerful shield in hand which needs to be taken care off, and your own strong critters can be protected sometimes. The ability of this cards probably isn't incredibly powerful, but it can make a moderate difference if played correctly and you get a bit lucky. All that and this card doesn't even "costs a card" because you will draw a new one anyway.
Post by: AuthorisGenius on December 22, 2013, 03:34:47 am
Post by: neonshadow123 on December 29, 2013, 01:30:14 am
Post by: omegareaper7 on December 29, 2013, 08:03:49 pm
I think it does need a buff, i only use it for card drawing, not the seeing hand thingy, so what if you drew 2 card but got rid of the seeing hand part all together?Then it would be a different card altogether. Precognition is a knowledge of future events. So if you took away that ability, it wouldn't be able to be accurately called precognition.
Also see Dm's explanation on why it is a good ability to have.
Post by: Scars on January 05, 2014, 06:25:41 am
1. Good for rushes, as being 2 :time quanta for drawing a card and seeing the hand (1 :time upped).
2. Seeing your opponents hand is not ALWAYS helpful, but it can be.
3. Getting the cards you need, if RNG is being a big jerk. For being 1 :time upped, you can almost instantly play the card on your first turn and pray for another thing to combo it with, also helped if you're running an OTK and you need to get the cards... Of course, Hourglasses are used mostly in OTKs, unless it's supposed to be super fast.
Post by: Zignaught on January 05, 2014, 06:35:30 am
Post by: Squidymon on January 05, 2014, 06:34:22 pm
Post by: CrockettRocket on January 05, 2014, 08:28:57 pm
P.S. If your just starting the game and the first thing you do is learn most of the cards then use precog it can help you so much as a noob.
Post by: UndeadSpider1990 on January 06, 2014, 08:18:54 am
2. I disagree
I think it's a small card, but not weak. The information it gives you is potentially valuable tactical information. If the enemy has a dozen kill-spells in his hand, leave your Grabboid burrowed. If they have a steal, don't play your Dim Shield. It is not a game winner, but it helps you play the other cards in your deck not only faster (draw a card) but smarter.
Post by: CrockettRocket on January 06, 2014, 12:07:22 pm
Getting a nymph out asap is nice, you get to see there hand, sometimes you want to nightmare there hand an almost useless creature like photon that they can play so you can draw lock them by playing eternity a turn after. If they keep playing the photons youve not only draw locked them but you can night mare again, this time be sure a creature they cant play by your sor egg. Its a really nice trickery deck cause ppl think its ghostmare right off!
Post by: Scars on January 06, 2014, 02:47:51 pm
I disagree, after posting on this I went out and made a deck for trickey using precognition and just the raw elements I chose.
Getting a nymph out asap is nice, you get to see there hand, sometimes you want to nightmare there hand an almost useless creature like photon that they can play so you can draw lock them by playing eternity a turn after. If they keep playing the photons youve not only draw locked them but you cab bight mare again, this time be sure a creature they cant play by your sor egg. Its a really nice trickery deck cause ppl think its ghostmare right off!
So that's what you were doing with Pots! xD
Post by: andretimpa on January 06, 2014, 04:39:23 pm
This makes everyone love you in pvp :P
Post by: CrockettRocket on January 06, 2014, 05:03:43 pm
Post by: Dm on January 06, 2014, 05:08:07 pm
Post by: CrockettRocket on January 06, 2014, 06:03:19 pm
Post by: Dm on January 06, 2014, 07:04:23 pm
Yup dm, thats why I wouldnt go any further. That deck was built around precog though so I posted it, the reply to it idk why is here.
Actually, it isn't. It has precogs functionalities but it is very different to make a deck that has Precog and a deck that has golden nymph. Golden Nymph will most likely have summoning sickness unless paired with SoR, also has a higher cost, AND is a creature to boot. So really, even that deck isn't quite related to this thread at all. Sorry to break it to you.
This could actually be a good discussion to have in this thread, over whether buffing Precog could potentially make Golden Nymph OP or how it would affect it's functionality, but your deck really isn't based around precog or has anything to do with Precognition itself.
But back on topic : This really needs a poll.
Post by: farscape on January 06, 2014, 08:55:30 pm
What I do think is a problem is Golden Nymph's ability. Other nymphs have the alchemy spell of their element but at a lower cost. Golden nymph's ability costs the same unupped and more upped than the card itself.
Light nymph begs to differ:
alchemy card cost 2 :rainbow | 1 :rainbow,
nymph ability cost 4 :light | 3 :light,
so its even worse +2 cost and switch from :rainbow to in-element.
Post by: CrockettRocket on January 06, 2014, 10:03:53 pm
Post by: montrossen on September 24, 2014, 11:01:55 am
Post by: CrockettRocket on September 24, 2014, 11:34:12 am
yeah, i think that because it does not really lower the draw chances of your other cards, its basicly a one-time ability. that said, if i were to buff it, i would make it give 2 cards not 1. this would not only help preco, but make the golden nymph worthwhile.Well, once you draw precognition it increases the draw chances of the other cards. Drawing two would be OP.
Post by: Acsabi44 on September 24, 2014, 11:39:15 am
yeah, i think that because it does not really lower the draw chances of your other cards, its basicly a one-time ability. that said, if i were to buff it, i would make it give 2 cards not 1. this would not only help preco, but make the golden nymph worthwhile.golden nymph is one of the best ones btw. I'd even say the best
Post by: omegareaper7 on September 24, 2014, 05:43:33 pm
yeah, i think that because it does not really lower the draw chances of your other cards, its basicly a one-time ability. that said, if i were to buff it, i would make it give 2 cards not 1. this would not only help preco, but make the golden nymph worthwhile.Why make a good card an amazing card and an amazing card (with fantastic combos) broken?
Post by: bossitron on November 15, 2014, 12:03:53 am
That blue font just killed my eyes
I personally think that precognition is fine. I find that seeing your opponents hand can help guess their strategy and play around what they have. Compared to hourglasses, the card drawing comes without paying 4 :time first and seeing your opponents hand, but at the cost of only one use. Seems fair to me.
What I do think is a problem is Golden Nymph's ability. Other nymphs have the alchemy spell of their element but at a lower cost. Golden nymph's ability costs the same unupped and more upped than the card itself. But then it does pack some pretty nice stats so meh.
But I personally don't think precog needs a buff.
luciferin costs WAY more on the nymph.