[Official] Phoenix | Minor Phoenix

[Naii_the_Baf]

how can a be better than a ?
compare them! I know that minor phoenix costs 2 ..and phoenix costs 7 .., but a phoenix is better! it should be instead of minor phoenix it should be grand phoenix, cost 7 .., stats 9|3. image: should be like the same as a , but looking front and with bigger wings. Should have too skill phoenix.

[ddevans96]

Minor Phoenix combos with Immolation insanely well, which is the reason for the upgraded having much less cost.

[Naii_the_Baf]

Minor Phoenix combos with Immolation insanely well, which is the reason for the upgraded having much less cost.

yes but no, an upgraded creature should be upgraded, not downgraded. is a downgraded card of . as I said, upgraded cards should be upgraded, not downgraded.

[Pella]

an upgraded creature should be upgraded, not downgraded.

Obviously, the Elements Community definition of "upgraded" differs from your definition.

fabian771:  An upgraded card is always bigger and/or stronger than its unupgraded version.
Elements Community:  An upgraded card is always better than its unupgraded version.

In the particular case you mentioned, Phoenix is an expensive card that can take a few turns to play and can be difficult to Fractal.  Minor Phoenix is better precisely because it is so inexpensive.  At only 2 , Minor Phoenix often can be played on the first turn, immediately after playing the upgraded quanta sources.  At a maximum costs of 16 , Fractaling Minor Phoenix is a piece of cake.  (Compare to a maximum cost of 56 to Fractal Phoenix.)

TL;DR The lower cost of Minor Phoenix makes it easier and faster to play.  The large increase in speed more than compensates for the loss in attack power.

[Chapuz]

Fabian: look at their attack/cost ratio

[Naii_the_Baf]

An upgraded card is always better than its unupgraded version.

that may be true, I have seen cards that cost 1 less quanta from its unupgraded version.

[omegareaper7]

An upgraded card is always better than its unupgraded version.

that may be true, I have seen cards that cost 1 less quanta from its unupgraded version.

2 to 1 ratio is better then 1 to 1. Also, it has several more uses then normal phoenix does.

[Naii_the_Baf]

2 to 1 ratio is better then 1 to 1. Also, it has several more uses then normal phoenix does.

I didn't understand.

[Chapuz]

2 to 1 ratio is better then 1 to 1. Also, it has several more uses then normal phoenix does.

I didn't understand.

2 cost for 4 attack has 2x ratio compared with 7 cost for 7 attack. As I said before, it's the att/cost ratio.

[Silux]

maybe what is puzzling with these upgrades is that these cards don't upgrade in strictly better cards, but it upgrades in a new card, which may have even a completely different purpose.

Caos seed and Caos power have really different uses, yet both are good.

[Drake_XIV]

2 to 1 ratio is better then 1 to 1. Also, it has several more uses then normal phoenix does.

I didn't understand.

The idea for this upgrade is:

• It is more cost efficient [Upgraded is 1 for 2 ATT while Unupgraded is 1 for 1 ATT]
• It is easier to get out [especially for use with Cremation and/or Fractal and/or Mitosis]

It should be noted that not all cards must be upgraded simply, as seen with upgrades resulting in minimal cost reduction.  This set handles 'improving' on a different scale.

[UndeadSpider1990]

I have seen cards that cost 1 less quanta from its unupgraded version.

I understand your point; you expect an upgraded card to get stronger, but I really think the strength of the Minor Phoenix is with speed. You should try it with Immolation before you knock it – it is a significant attacker, as hard to kill as the unupped Phoenix, and will let you use Immolation without packing weedy things like Photon in your deck.

Long ago I suggested multiple upgrade options as a game buff, so that you'd have the choice of two upgraded Phoenixes. 1, the Minor Phoenix, or 2) a 7/1 Phoenix that costs 6 .

Unfortunately, until that time, I see no more reason to change this card than to change Toadfish-->Pufferfish, or Nova-->Supernova – the upgrades change things, but they are actually strengths if you exploit them correctly.