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Re: Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg198350#msg198350
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2010, 11:12:06 pm »
Pharaoh really isn't mono. You have to power the scarab's devour ability. While the fireflies just generate  :fire/ :light.

And no, it's hard to power devour on just a mark unless you know your opponent is running like 6 ruby dragons.

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Re: Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg198612#msg198612
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2010, 05:27:27 am »
The card is fine as is.

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[Official] Pharaoh | Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442876#msg442876
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2011, 06:36:02 pm »


Forgive me if this has already been posted here, but I didn't see it(or missed it).

Anyway, I personally love this card, but I believe the cost is just a tad bit too high.

It costs 9 Time quanta to play(which can be difficult to get since the other Time cards are so useful) and then an additional 2 Time Quanta to summon scarabs. Even with SoR, the Pharaoh is pretty slow at producing Scarabs, a 3/1 creature that requires them to be in bunches. The cost for a Pharoah is just too high IMO.

Why use a Pharaoh over Fractals?

A Pharaoh can produce 1 Scarab per turn. A Fractal can produce a maximum of 8 in a single turn, not taking into account the one you had in play. Yes, the Fractal requires Aether quanta, but it's so much faster than just having the Pharaoh that it kinda evens out. Having the Fractal instead also means that your deck can use that extra Time Quanta on those Hourglasses you need.

What I propose is just a reduction in the cost.
Make it cost 8 or 7 Time quanta. That's all I'm asking. It'll still be slow, but it wont be AS slow.

If I'm looking at this the wrong way, feel free to show me my errors :p
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442884#msg442884
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2011, 07:13:02 pm »
I actually agree with this, your forgot one thing though, reverse mummys also gets them out faster. At the moment, without shards, pharaohs are terrible.
I'm all for the -1 cost, -2 would be nice, but it might be a bit much.
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442962#msg442962
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2011, 01:21:27 am »
I'd remove one or two from the cost because that isn't too steep a price for summoning scarabs and that level of attack and health works for Firefly Queen (although not exactly the same price).

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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442964#msg442964
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2011, 01:25:07 am »
I'll be a bit more agreeable with a buff if Shard of Conscience ever hits the streets...
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442983#msg442983
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2011, 03:05:00 am »
Reason people use pharaohs over fractal is that fractal requires aether and scarabs, while pharaohs can be powered with nearly mono time.

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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442988#msg442988
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 03:15:42 am »
Reason people use pharaohs over fractal is that fractal requires aether and scarabs, while pharaohs can be powered with nearly mono time.
Except there's a grand total of two decks that are based around pharaohs that are actually good without shards.
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442990#msg442990
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2011, 03:46:14 am »
Reason people use pharaohs over fractal is that fractal requires aether and scarabs, while pharaohs can be powered with nearly mono time.
Except there's a grand total of two decks that are based around pharaohs that are actually good without shards.
There's a good pharaoh deck without shards?

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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg442997#msg442997
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2011, 04:41:52 am »
Reason people use pharaohs over fractal is that fractal requires aether and scarabs, while pharaohs can be powered with nearly mono time.
Except there's a grand total of two decks that are based around pharaohs that are actually good without shards.
There's a good pharaoh deck without shards?
Yes, only a couple i have seen, there's xinef's pharaohs gratitude, and a deck i made that is similar. Not amazing decks by any means, but good for a pharaoh deck without shard of readiness.
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg443072#msg443072
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2011, 01:31:07 pm »
IDK, it must be more expensive than FFQ because it's a mono creature. Also, both scarabs and flies have a skill, so it can't be said "scarabs are better than flies" or vice-versa.
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Re: Pharaoh / Pharaoh https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14237.msg443138#msg443138
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2011, 04:48:57 pm »
I realize FFQ is 2 - 3 different elements, but that's exactly why I think FFQ is slightly better. Compared to Pharaoh, FFQ only needs 7 quanta of it's own element and doesn't require it at all to summon. Pharaohs require 9 :time quanta to summon and an extra 2 :time quanta to make Scarabs.
That's 7 :air 2 :life VS 11  :time

It doesn't cost much :air to summon an FFQ, then you only need 2 :life to summon a Firefly whose ability doesn't require anything else....it just produces more quanta for you.

It costs a lot of :time to summon a Pharaoh, then you need even more quanta to make Scarabs who require large numbers and Gravity(IMO, Gravity doesn't really have much that's too usable in a Pharaoh deck aside from maybeChimera, Catapult, or Momentum) to be even remotely effective.

If you want lots of scarabs, you're pretty much better off using Fractals or even Rewind Mummies because Pharaohs are just so expensive and Time has a lot of other expensive cards that it needs.

I don't see how anyone can think that Pharaoh is fine, especially when compared to the FFQ <,<

 

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