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What do you think best for pegasus?

Reduce the price of pegasus for 3 :light
Increasing attack by +1.
Increasing defense by +1.
Leave like this.
However leave like this, but damage can overtake shields, when the ability is activated.

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[Official] Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541820#msg541820
« on: September 14, 2012, 09:45:52 am »

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Pegasus
Is one of my favorite mythological creatures, when I started playing elements I began with light, in the principle I liked of pegasus especially when wearing blessing, but it did not take me long to realize that he is below average. its price is high, their low defense and his ability deficient because it is not worth its price.


Pegasus
NAME:
Elite Pegasus
Light
ELEMENT:
Light
4 :light
COST:
4 :light
Creature
TYPE:
Creature
3 | 2
ATK|HP:
4 | 4
:air :Dive
The damage dealt is doubled for 1 turn.
TEXT:
:air :Dive
The damage dealt is doubled for 1 turn.
Common
RARITY:
Upgraded Common
40
BUY|SELL:
1160
5lb
DECK CODE:
7jr

Well, Pegasus comparisons:

:death Mummy: Resistant to reverse time, we realize that it is almost the pegasus with his active ability, and even greater defense, the price same.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:aether Psion: The attack is greater and their defense is greater 2 times, his ability is fantastic and does not need activation. the price the same.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:entropy Lycanthrope: His ability makes him a pegasus with perpetually activated ability and MUCH better defense. the price is less.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:life Horned frog: No has ability but is 2 times cheaper same attack and still has higher defense.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:air Wyrm: The pegasus's brother, but best, his ability apparently more expensive, actually it is not, because their activation belongs to the same element. If the ability to activate of the pegasus is 2 :light, still lose for brother Wyrm that has higher defense.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:gravity Otyugh Need not say much, otyugh eat pegasus and gains +1 | +1, and does not need another element to activate your ability.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:fire Fire spirit: In only 3 turns he is literally a pegasus with active ability, and then gets bigger, and does not need another element to activate your ability.
Spoiler for Hidden:
:gravity Graviton fire eater: In 3 turns better than pegasus with active ability
Spoiler for Hidden:
:water Steam Machine: Well, truth, the ability is more expensive, but the difference in 3 turns is brutal, a  fantastic defence, same price.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Lastly, did not want to make this comparison because I think cowardice, but it is necessary:

:earth Graboid: Well, invuneravel comes into play, its ability 33% stronger in attack and 50% stronger in defense permanently higher than the pegasus with active ability!, Its price is lower.
Spoiler for Hidden:
Suggestions:

* Reduce the price of pegasus for 3 :light

* Increasing attack by +1

* However leave like this, but do damage overtakes shields, when the ability is activated. (I like more this)
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 11:44:44 am by Vangelios »
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541824#msg541824
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2012, 11:06:52 am »
Pegasus must be buffed indeed, though Elite Pegasus is balanced.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541828#msg541828
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 11:51:25 am »
Pegasus is in-element with Blessing. +3 atk from blessing means +6 damage from dive. So, it is balanced and actually a pretty effective attacker in :air/ :light decks, manytimes even better than Wyrm.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541830#msg541830
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 12:01:11 pm »

You should put the pic of the discussed card in the OP. I don't remember what Pegasus stat is, and looking up through the game takes up time.
Anyway, an appropriate buff, if any, is either -1 casting cost or +1 HP.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541841#msg541841
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2012, 12:59:03 pm »
Pegasus is in-element with Blessing. +3 atk from blessing means +6 damage from dive. So, it is balanced and actually a pretty effective attacker in :air/ :light decks, manytimes even better than Wyrm.

Arthan, blessing is exceptional with many creatures, minor vampire. otyugh, scorpions in general, for duo + light air, I personally prefer to use Morningstar + flyweapon, with shard of wisdom, and perhaps complete skyblitz (yummy!!). but I agree that a duo pegasus in air-light can be better wyrn, it would save air for better purposes.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541844#msg541844
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2012, 01:09:33 pm »
Pegasus is in-element with Blessing. +3 atk from blessing means +6 damage from dive. So, it is balanced and actually a pretty effective attacker in :air/ :light decks, manytimes even better than Wyrm.

Arthan, blessing is exceptional with many creatures, minor vampire. otyugh, scorpions in general, for duo + light air, I personally prefer to use Morningstar + flyweapon, with shard of wisdom, and perhaps complete skyblitz (yummy!!). but I agree that a duo pegasus in air-light can be better wyrn, it would save air for better purposes.

Pegasus is even better with Blessing than other creatures, since he deals 12 damage if dives while blessed (or 14 if upped). Scorpions, Otys, Vampires etc. are not in-element with it. The 1 :air: Dive ability can be triggered by just an :air mark in a mono :light deck. Seriously, Pegasus is a very good striker in both upped and unupped versions, no buff is needed IMHO. Morning Stars are rare and SoW are ever more rare than Morning Stars. Pegasus and Blessing are common.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541866#msg541866
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2012, 02:39:39 pm »
Pegasus is in-element with Blessing. +3 atk from blessing means +6 damage from dive. So, it is balanced and actually a pretty effective attacker in :air/ :light decks, manytimes even better than Wyrm.

Arthan, blessing is exceptional with many creatures, minor vampire. otyugh, scorpions in general, for duo + light air, I personally prefer to use Morningstar + flyweapon, with shard of wisdom, and perhaps complete skyblitz (yummy!!). but I agree that a duo pegasus in air-light can be better wyrn, it would save air for better purposes.

Pegasus is even better with Blessing than other creatures, since he deals 12 damage if dives while blessed (or 14 if upped). Scorpions, Otys, Vampires etc. are not in-element with it. The 1 :air: Dive ability can be triggered by just an :air mark in a mono :light deck. Seriously, Pegasus is a very good striker in both upped and unupped versions, no buff is needed IMHO. Morning Stars are rare and SoW are ever more rare than Morning Stars. Pegasus and Blessing are common.

Even then, blessed pegasi is not really a competitive deck. You're shoving all your eggs into one basket (1 rt = boom up to 6 cards gone) and even if it goes uncountered, it's not any faster than current unupped meta decks

I'm really not sure what to suggest as a buff for this card though. +1 attack almost makes this card not worth upgrading, same for -1 cost. Best is still probably +1 health to immediately keep it away from oty

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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541873#msg541873
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2012, 03:00:40 pm »

Pegasus is even better with Blessing than other creatures, since he deals 12 damage if dives while blessed (or 14 if upped). Scorpions, Otys, Vampires etc. are not in-element with it. The 1 :air: Dive ability can be triggered by just an :air mark in a mono :light deck. Seriously, Pegasus is a very good striker in both upped and unupped versions, no buff is needed IMHO. Morning Stars are rare and SoW are ever more rare than Morning Stars. Pegasus and Blessing are common.

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Pegasus, cause 12 damage, ok
go to sums; 4 pegasus +3 blessing +1 air skill total 8, nice better than crimson dragon that is cost 10
But still loses to frog with adrenaline 12 damage with only 6 total, and need not be dual.
Pegasus  only have utility with blessing, is sad.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg541891#msg541891
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2012, 05:13:13 pm »
Pegasus is in-element with Blessing. +3 atk from blessing means +6 damage from dive. So, it is balanced and actually a pretty effective attacker in :air/ :light decks, manytimes even better than Wyrm.

Arthan, blessing is exceptional with many creatures, minor vampire. otyugh, scorpions in general, for duo + light air, I personally prefer to use Morningstar + flyweapon, with shard of wisdom, and perhaps complete skyblitz (yummy!!). but I agree that a duo pegasus in air-light can be better wyrn, it would save air for better purposes.
Skyblitz targets all airborne creatures on your side of the field, and morningstars are immune to targeting.
Shards: the game is a real problem that people are trying to come up with a fix for, with SoW being an offender for providing more attack then other buffs for the same or less cost, on creatures who don't need hp anymore. Rather then buffing all other options to be as good as on overpowered card, it might make more sense to nerf the overpowered card.
The one problem I see with pegasus is that is a forced combo with blessing. Without using some sort of buff, it ends up being underpowered (at least when unupped). Using any other buff requires a trio. So other buffs get used with wyrm (making it a duo) while pegasus is only ever used with blessing.

Pegasus, cause 12 damage, ok
But still loses to frog with adrenaline 12 damage with only 6 total, and need not be dual.
Frog + adrenaline is very cost efficient, but that is because it requires an exact match. If you get a weird draw of 1 frog and 5 adrenaline, you have 12 damage. If you get a weird draw of 1 pegasus and 5 blessings, you have 36 damage (the same as if you had a balanced draw). Adrenaline is also much weaker against most shields. Blessing provides resistance to damage based CC, while adrenaline provides resistance to freeze/delay. Thus, each combo has significant benefits over the other, and which to use seems more a question of style and meta-game than power.

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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg542243#msg542243
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 05:13:47 pm »
Excellent analysis Tirear, but even so it, +1 atk for pegasus, not affect in the game balance.
damages of 12 or 36, only  increase by +2 in total. pegasus  be more useful and no need blessing.
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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg542248#msg542248
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2012, 05:25:39 pm »

You should put the pic of the discussed card in the OP. I don't remember what Pegasus stat is, and looking up through the game takes up time.
Anyway, an appropriate buff, if any, is either -1 casting cost or +1 HP.
Pictures help a lot.

Upgraded peggy is fine and pretty strong. Unupped, it's a bit lacking, (3|2 pretty bad stats for 4 :light). We should compare to wyrm:

A :air :air is probably comparable to a duo :air cost. Give unupped peggy +1hp.

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Re: Pegasus | Elite Pegasus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43443.msg542249#msg542249
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2012, 05:26:17 pm »
Make it cost 3  :light
:water :water :water

 

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