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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg375953#msg375953
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2011, 06:26:37 pm »
I guess I might be biased because I actually like Parasites, but I think they're fine as is. An increase to defense would be the best option though for sure.
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg375958#msg375958
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2011, 06:43:31 pm »
I totally agree that parasite needs some love. I voted for buffing it's attack to 2.

As you said yourself, I could foresee problems with darkness getting a one cost creature with a CC ability. I also don't think a buff in defense fits the parasite theme. It's an offensive creature imo.

I think an attack of 2 is a small but reasonable buff and fits the theme well.

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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg375962#msg375962
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2011, 06:51:17 pm »
While I personally don't see the problem of a one cost parasite, I don't see the benefit of 2ho AT ALL (All it does is let it survive against Thorn/Fire shield slightly longer). Anything than +2hp is a no go (3 total, +1 from nightfall escapes OE) for me, but 2 attack could be comparable.

I favor 1cost parasites though.
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg375987#msg375987
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 08:34:59 pm »
Why nerf Parasite by giving it 2 attack? Being protected from Maxwell / Skull Shield / Spine Carapace / Ice Shield is much better than having 2 attack. One good way to buff this card would actually be giving it 0 attack => protection from Fire Shield / Thorn Carapace / Turtle Shield.

So how about
Parasite 0/1 for 1 :darkness
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Bloodsucker 2/1 for 1 :darkness.

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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg376006#msg376006
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 09:19:27 pm »
 2 attack is definitely a buff. It will do more damage in almost every game and die slightly more often. Since its ability isn't amazing, damage is an important part of the card. Darkness also has an answer to all of the mentioned threats.
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg376017#msg376017
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2011, 09:30:39 pm »
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While I personally don't see the problem of a one cost parasite, I don't see the benefit of 2ho AT ALL (All it does is let it survive against Thorn/Fire shield slightly longer). Anything than +2hp is a no go (3 total, +1 from nightfall escapes OE) for me, but 2 attack could be comparable.
Not quite.  +1 HP would allow it to survive Drain Life, Ice Bolt, and Otyugh when Nightfall is in play.  None of those three elements can remove Nightfall by themselves, either.

Personally I feel Parasite is balanced.  It is inexpensive yet a major CC threat, and thus draws a lot of CC hate off your larger creatures.  I have personally done well with it in my decks in the past, and have been soundly beaten by it a number of times - in those situations, in fact, I'd have won if Parasite was not included.

If any buff is needed, I'd say a drop in cost to 1 :darkness, that's the most sound option.  It hardly needs it, but I can't see a reason against the buff; the main limiting factor in using them is the requirement of Death quanta.

Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg376193#msg376193
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 06:53:06 am »
1 cost seems fine: :death :darkness is an easy pair to mesh together, Parasite is just a bit difficult to pop in with that 2 cost.

Off-topic however, this card is way too expensive in the bazaar, even Chrysaora's cheaper!

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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg376275#msg376275
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 09:29:39 am »
Don't buff it, it was the base of a darkness elemental's first moves in my lore  :))
Seriously, lower cost.
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg376299#msg376299
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2011, 10:38:04 am »
Personally, I just think it should poison if devoured.

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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg377505#msg377505
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2011, 10:01:20 pm »
I've tried using those and failed, altho it's skill is nice, I guess I wouldn't use it even if it had a lower cost due to it's low hp.
For me it makes a really big difference if it haves 2 hp, having one hp makes it almost impossible to use it's ability(which is the only reason I would use that creature) if a fire shield is already in play,

From what I've read in this thread it's split into people that thinks in it as a damage dealer and people that like it's ability. I'm in the last group.

I also agree with Wadjet, it should poison if devoured!
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg377514#msg377514
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 10:25:28 pm »
I am for the higher HP, although anywhere from 1-->3 HP is pretty much in the same boat. So i guess i am for the lower cost.
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Re: Parasite https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20211.msg377585#msg377585
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2011, 12:55:40 am »
The big problem with this card is the HUGE delay involved just to do any damage.

It will effectively be 3 turns before this can do ANY damage to the creature you want to kill, and even more to actually kill it.

Compared to instant effects that you get from other cards, it just isn't worth it.

Example:

Say that the opponent's creature is a... Photon.

Turn 1:
Opponent plays Photon, does 1 damage.
You play Parasite.

Turn 2:
Photon attacks. 2 damage total. (Possibility of Parasite dying or rendered useless).
Parasite uses ability.

Turn 3:
Photon attacks and dies, 3 damage total.


Compared to other methods, this kind of CC is really bad, since it's slow, and is vulnerable to CC as well. It's just not worth it for the duo quantum investment and lack of other uses.

Compare the above example to this:

Turn 1:
Opponent plays a Photon. 1 Damage.
You play Lightning. It dies.


See the difference?

Now, there's one change that would make it awesome. Parasites feed of of their hosts, right?

 :death: Infect target creature. Gain +1/+1.

There. Appropriate buff, improved versatility, thematically appropriate...

What say you?

 

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