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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg136382#msg136382
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2010, 01:16:13 am »
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If I use it on opponents pillar I should get the nymph.
You already do, try it.

I think that 7/6 is pretty balanced.

It's really best when you're using quantum pillars/towers though.
That way you can quint, sundial, and use the actual ability pretty easily.
add about 4/5 towers of the nymph you want and the cost of the nymp's ability is paid for as well.
If you use Nymph's Tears on the opponent's pillar the nymph will be summoned on your opponent's side of the board.
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I just remembered lol.
My friend was making nymphs out of my opponents pillars but I forgot he was using steal xD
Yah, I agree then, you should be able to make nymphs out of your opponent's pillars.

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg138032#msg138032
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2010, 01:58:47 am »
The card costs too much. If the card was cheaper, 6  :water unupgraded, then more people would be using this card.   

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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg138047#msg138047
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2010, 02:10:59 am »
The card costs too much. If the card was cheaper, 6  :water unupgraded, then more people would be using this card.
...it was lowered to that in the last patch.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg138782#msg138782
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2010, 09:34:38 pm »
Oh didn't notice :)) ........
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg141862#msg141862
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2010, 09:08:08 am »
The card costs too much. If the card was cheaper, 6  :water unupgraded, then more people would be using this card.
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Re: Nymph's Tears | Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg141867#msg141867
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2010, 09:23:11 am »
I personally don't think this card needs to be any cheaper than it already is. It's already a steal at 6 :water upgraded, and the unupped version is as inexpensive as it could get without being identical to the upgraded version. I say leave it as it is.

Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg426671#msg426671
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2011, 02:35:23 pm »


I'd like to argue that this card needs a cost reduction of 2 to both versions.

Now, I'm fully aware that Nymphs are the Legendary, ultra-rare cards of the game, and that their ownership and use is fully intended to be protected and unusual. However, consider the difference:

A Nymph, currently, is a 8 or 9-quanta card, of an element that's almost certainly a heavy specialization of the deck. Playing one requires only that you have the card.

Nymph's Tears, on the other hand, requires:
a) The sacrifice of 2 cards for one (Tears and quanta source)
b) The sacrifice of a quanta source (this is significant and distinct from a simple card disadvantage, as in point a)
c) A significant, non-trivial devotion of a portion of your deck to water
d) Currently, 2 or 3 quanta less than a Nymph itself

That's four considerable disadvantages - none of them minor - in exchange for a card that requires specific deck construction to take advantage of. Is it the case that a Nymph can be a very powerful card? Absolutely - but most of them are either fragile, damageless, or again, require a very particular deck to deliver well. Given how ultra-rare Nymphs are, it seems reasonable that giving players access to them for competitive play - if they're willing to pay the price - is a good idea. Right now, players, realistically, do NOT have access to Nymphs in competitive play unless they've been ultra-lucky (luck not being the fairest of all masters) or won tournaments (which is a situation of the rich getting richer.)

I'm not suggesting a nerf to Nymphs, and I'm not suggesting they lose their ultra-desired/rare status. I'm simply suggesting that it become SLIGHTLY more feasible (because a card costing 5 or 4 water quanta is still not simple for many decks) that Nymphs be fielded under more circumstances. Could a Rainbow deck double-supernova and throw a Tears? Sure - and they'd have to pray they got the Nymph they wanted and not a useless one. Could the Rainbow deck splash the quanta type they want for the Nymph they wanted? Sure - and now you're talking about a 4 card combo that's praying it won't get hit by a bolt or a dozen other removals. Throw in a Quint to stop it and go-go five card combo! We playing Instosis here?  ;)

It will still be far more desirable to simply have a Nymph, but it will stop being basically impossible to see them in play if you haven't either been a champion or fabulously lucky. That, I'd argue, is more fun for everyone.

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Re: Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg426720#msg426720
« Reply #31 on: November 17, 2011, 06:33:27 pm »
Excellent post. I understand why Nymphs are suppose to be underpowered, but why the common card Tears as well? Though I speak only from my experience in the unupped realm, I heard there are a few deck that make good use of Tears in upped decks.

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Re: Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg426744#msg426744
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2011, 07:18:29 pm »
Insert this code to the beginning of your post, it'll look much more like the others out there.

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Re: Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg426751#msg426751
« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2011, 07:25:14 pm »
I'm kinda split on this. I actually hate playing Nymph's Tears decks that rip out nymphs constantly, but it's also kind of impressive. I also think the speed at which nymphs come out using Tears is fast enough. I guess overall, I don't want this change, but if there was one, I might actually use nymphs :P
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Re: Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg427561#msg427561
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2011, 02:24:17 am »
I just want to mention that currently, nymph's tears>water nymph in 90% of situations.

This is not to say that nymph's tears should/should not be buffed.  I don't have an opinion on that for the moment.

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Re: Nymph's Tears|Nymph's Tears https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10249.msg427621#msg427621
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