[Official] Mindgate l Mindgate

[Epidemia]

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As we all know, this card was nerfed, so the ability cost is  (for both upped and unupped). Now, why do I find it underpowered?

Let's compare upped mindgate with electrum hourglass:

         

In other words, you pay a higher cost to draw a card that doesn't form part of your deck (and also, that doesn't form part of your strategy).  This card is mostly for fun rather than killing the opponent. How do you know the card will be useful? Will you have the quanta needed for the card? In this last case, you may get your oponent's pillars or you may use a rainbow deck. There are way better uses for aether quanta (quintessence, fractal). I would prefer to get my own cards. In some cases, though, it helps to give a purpose to the unused quanta we end getting in most games.

I also think that electrum hourglass is overpowered, but nobody says so because a lot of decks use it. Think about it, the normal draw rate is 1 card/turn, but with only 1 time quanta (after putting it in play, of course) you can have an extra card. Precognition is more reasonable because you can only use it once.

[jmdt]

Before the hp cap was set at 500 I thought this card needed another nerf to prevent such situations.  Now that 10,000 hp is no longer possible, this card is just fine as is.  Running 6 of these still gives you the potential to to crazy things if the draw works out right.  No buff needed here.

[Dragoon1140]

This card, even unupgraded, is stupidly useful in mono Aether.  This card is powerful enough in my opinion, and needs to at least stay the same it is now.

[Glitch]

Hmm, perhaps the problem isn't the card but your strategy.  I wonder how you could put the cards you DO want into your opponents hand...

[Epidemia]

Hmm, perhaps the problem isn't the card but your strategy.  I wonder how you could put the cards you DO want into your opponents hand...

Of course I could rewind the creature I would want to play. But Elements goes further than that, building a deck is an important part of the game. If I wanted to have that creature under my control, I would put it in my deck in first instance. Also, I said I find it underpowered when comparing it with golden hourglass. If I had to choose between Hourglass and Mind Gate, I would pick the first one with no doubts; that's because, with a lower cost, you can get a card from your own deck. With the proper startegy, any card is helpful doing this, but with Mind Gate sometimes you can't be sure. And if you don't consider this, the only difference is the card cost, but in this case Mind Gate is still a worse card. I don't know if nobody read my post, or everybody is voting the same the other people is voting, or I'm totally wrong.

[Malduk]

I dont get why are people comparing Hourglass with Mind gate.

Hourglass: Cards come from your deck and are depleting your deck. You never get more copies of the card than you can draw from your deck. Used to speed up drawing power of your deck.

Mind Gate: Cards come from nowhere and are copies of your opponents cards, and you can get up to 6 copies every damn turn without any risk of decking out. Used to copy your opponents cards and use them against him.

Similarity - both draw cards. 

Those two cards are so different that is pretty obvious they are used in two completely different strategies. It is like comparing Lava Golem to Otyugh.

You're expecting from Mind Gate to get you another usable card to compliment your deck. Mind Gate doesnt do that (or in other words, you cannot expect it to do that as you have no idea what deck you'll be up against). You're just using it wrong. It is insanely powerful card when combined with stalling cards.

[Glitch]

Hmm, perhaps the problem isn't the card but your strategy.  I wonder how you could put the cards you DO want into your opponents hand...

Of course I could rewind the creature I would want to play. But Elements goes further than that, building a deck is an important part of the game. If I wanted to have that creature under my control, I would put it in my deck in first instance. Also, I said I find it underpowered when comparing it with golden hourglass. If I had to choose between Hourglass and Mind Gate, I would pick the first one with no doubts; that's because, with a lower cost, you can get a card from your own deck. With the proper startegy, any card is helpful doing this, but with Mind Gate sometimes you can't be sure. And if you don't consider this, the only difference is the card cost, but in this case Mind Gate is still a worse card. I don't know if nobody read my post, or everybody is voting the same the other people is voting, or I'm totally wrong.

No you fool!  Nightmare!!!!!

The difference between mindgate and hourglass is simple.  Mindgate doesn't draw from your deck.  If you have the quanta, and you have nightmares, you can set up a combo and get fractal on a stick.  As a reward for making it difficult to get good cards, you don't deck out.  Balanced.

[jmdt]

Hmm, perhaps the problem isn't the card but your strategy.  I wonder how you could put the cards you DO want into your opponents hand...

Of course I could rewind the creature I would want to play. But Elements goes further than that, building a deck is an important part of the game. If I wanted to have that creature under my control, I would put it in my deck in first instance. Also, I said I find it underpowered when comparing it with golden hourglass. If I had to choose between Hourglass and Mind Gate, I would pick the first one with no doubts; that's because, with a lower cost, you can get a card from your own deck. With the proper startegy, any card is helpful doing this, but with Mind Gate sometimes you can't be sure. And if you don't consider this, the only difference is the card cost, but in this case Mind Gate is still a worse card. I don't know if nobody read my post, or everybody is voting the same the other people is voting, or I'm totally wrong.

No you fool!  Nightmare!!!!!

The difference between mindgate and hourglass is simple.  Mindgate doesn't draw from your deck.  If you have the quanta, and you have nightmares, you can set up a combo and get fractal on a stick.  As a reward for making it difficult to get good cards, you don't deck out.  Balanced.

We seriouly should limit people from using their first post on a buff/nerf thread.  This is the second or third such today.  In this case and the others, the card is either fine or could use the opposite of what they are suggesting.

If you've played against a mindgate deck you will see that they are very powerful if you give them time to set up and you don't have PC.  AS is the card is balanced on the strong side.

[hermantheowl]

I've seen a Mindgate deck in t50 and some in PVP2. It works, so it does not need a buff. I keep running into Aether stall decks with mindgate as the win condition. I don't see how restoring it to needing only 1  would make it overpowered. Then I never played with the origional verion in trainer.

[PuppyChow]

Um, maybe I'm missing something, but... nightmare won't work because it doesn't alter the card on top of the opponent's deck? Unless you're just using it to stop their draw so you can remindgate the same card next turn.

[Epidemia]

I was going to make an epic post but my internet had to fail. Anyways, now I think this make no sense because 3/4 of the people think the card is good as it is right now. I never had problems with a card before, in fact, I registered just to make this topic. But maybe I haven't experimented this card enough. My only problem with it was the ability costing 2 aether quanta and electrum hourglass only one, being very similar. But seems that Mind Gate can be used in so many ways that it's just ok.

[MrBlonde]

This card certainly does not need a buff. I love this card. I've added it to my FG timebow and it's a great card as is.