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[Official] Mind Flayer | Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309716#msg309716
« on: April 11, 2011, 03:55:53 am »


So you have Mind Flayer. It's a great card. It's cheap, and it has a great ability that is very helpful and is even popular in some FG grinders.

But then you upgrade it, and you get Ulitharid...

Looking at other similar upgrades, it is clearly an underpowered card.

I suggest either +2 atk, or -1 cost and +1 attack, or +HP.
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309722#msg309722
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2011, 04:22:08 am »
Ulitharid seems to be balanced for me... And what do you mean by same cards? for 1 :water +1 +2 is a good addition imo.

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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309726#msg309726
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 04:31:47 am »
The strength of the Mind Flayer is that it comes out before the various other critters that could kill it, and it removes the abilities that would kill it -- so it 'wins the race'.  Ulitharid is less so, and the +1|+2 it gains for being upgraded doesn't deserve the increase in cost that goes along with it.  So, my vote is to knock it down to a 2 cost and otherwise leave it alone.  That would be fully appropriate.
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309730#msg309730
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 04:41:02 am »
2 :water for 2|3 or even 2|4 would not only be balanced cost-wise but would make it a much better card. (As Essence said, its at its best when played early, so reducing its cost buffs it a tad more than other cards.)

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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309737#msg309737
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 05:06:31 am »
Ulitharid seems to be balanced for me... And what do you mean by same cards? for 1 :water +1 +2 is a good addition imo.
The Ulitharid is not better than the Mind Flayer.
The Mind Flayer can come out earlier in the game, thus, lobotomizing more cards. Sometimes Mind Flayers are even used in upgraded decks.
An upgraded card shouldn't be equal to or worse than the unupgraded version.
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309739#msg309739
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 05:09:08 am »
1 :water for +1 | +2 is nowhere near good...

The majority of cards get +2 attack for free or -2 cost.

Charger and Recluse even get +3 for free...

If you argue HP Massive Dragon get's +1 | +15 for 1 :gravity...

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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309826#msg309826
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 01:00:22 pm »


So you have Mind Flayer. It's a great card. It's cheap, and it has a great ability that is very helpful and is even popular in some FG grinders.

But then you upgrade it, and you get Ulitharid...

Looking at other similar upgrades, it is clearly an underpowered card.

I suggest either +2 atk, or -1 cost and +1 attack, or +HP.
The ulitharid art is awesome. Nerf the art, boost the card. ( ? )
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg309945#msg309945
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 06:56:48 pm »
I agree with a cost decrease. It's better to get it out sooner than to get it out one turn later for 1 more attack/ 2 more hp.

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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg310113#msg310113
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 10:18:35 pm »
I beleive it is, for the most part, balanced, but a cost decrease and an attack/defense increase would help.
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg310118#msg310118
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 10:22:14 pm »
buff:
2 :water
2|4

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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg311470#msg311470
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2011, 01:44:29 am »
Why keep it at 2 ATK?  That's just pathetically weak for an upgraded card.  Compare: Antlion, Minor Phoenix, Horned Frog...
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Re: Ulitharid https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=24252.msg311486#msg311486
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 02:01:03 am »
I agree with TII here.  A boost to 4 health makes it survive a heck of a lot more, and it is not played for its attack power, but for the ability.  Attack remaining the same is fine, though I'd say a boost to 5 health might work - it can survive Elite Otyugh that way.

 

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