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[Official] Immortal | Elite Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143081#msg143081
« on: August 21, 2010, 03:46:26 am »


This card is massively underpowered, it's so obvious I don't even need to explain. I never saw anyone using it except in AI3 and AI5. Maybe there's a false god using it, but I'm not sure. (http://imageplay.net/)

How do I make a poll?
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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143092#msg143092
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 04:03:04 am »
I have to admit i kind of agree with this and i'm not really one to think many cards should be buffed. Maybe +1 damage to unupped and upped?

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143126#msg143126
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2010, 05:02:15 am »
I don't see how it's so obvious that this card is underpowered. Mind explaining?

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143239#msg143239
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2010, 09:41:21 am »
Immortal
6 quanta - 4 damage - immortal

Dragon

13 quanta - 8 damage - immortal


Which one is stronger??


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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143263#msg143263
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2010, 11:25:55 am »
Immortal
6 quanta - 4 damage - immortal

Dragon

13 quanta - 8 damage - immortal


Which one is stronger??
Immortal is not useful like the dragon.... especially in mono aether decks

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143341#msg143341
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 02:02:49 pm »
For the dragon, the immortality actually matters, because it actually kind of hurt. But for immortal, it doesn't matter because it's damage is almost negligible and it has no ability. The immortality is pretty much wasted. And now, there are enough things that could kill immortal creatures already. Lastly, you almost never see them anywhere except AI3 and AI5, one is deck designed to be beaten the other is randomly generated decks. When nobody uses a certain card, it becomes evident that it's underpowered.

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143382#msg143382
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2010, 02:58:45 pm »
either lower its cost or add 1/2 damage to make it balanced

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg143463#msg143463
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2010, 06:03:40 pm »
Gemini uses these.

They do have a small place, helping mono aether decks get through gravity shields, but I agree that the need an attack boost to really be useful otherwise.

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg144333#msg144333
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2010, 09:04:40 pm »
either lower its cost or add 1/2 damage to make it balanced
1/2? Zanz would have to recode the whole game, wouldn't he?

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg144337#msg144337
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 09:10:01 pm »
I would lower the cost to 4 :aether | 5 :aether respectfully.  At least at that point it would be a 1-1 cost-attack ratio.
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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg144365#msg144365
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2010, 09:33:34 pm »
Immortal
6 quanta - 4 damage - immortal

Dragon

13 quanta - 8 damage - immortal


Which one is stronger??
Immortal is not useful like the dragon.... especially in mono aether decks
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um what? they're actually very useful. in mono aether, you need to watch your  :aether consumption, so 2 immortals have the same stats as the dragon, for 1 less  :aether, which may look negligible, but makes a world of difference when you're tight on quanta, i agree that it needs a cost reduction, but the stats should stay the same

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Re: Immortal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11643.msg144555#msg144555
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 02:18:10 am »
Immortal
6 quanta - 4 damage - immortal

Dragon

13 quanta - 8 damage - immortal


Which one is stronger??
Immortal is not useful like the dragon.... especially in mono aether decks
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um what? they're actually very useful. in mono aether, you need to watch your  :aether consumption, so 2 immortals have the same stats as the dragon, for 1 less  :aether , which may look negligible, but makes a world of difference when you're tight on quanta, i agree that it needs a cost reduction, but the stats should stay the same
Ah, but if you replaced 4 of those immortals with 2 dragons + 2 pillars, the QI goes from 7 to 6.33. (Note that in both versions I replaced one of the immortals with a pillar to preserve the 2 immortals per dragon ratio).

Hence, taking 1 dragon and 1 pillar is better than taking 2 immortals.

 

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