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# 1 Which version should be buffed ?

The unupgraded version
The upgraded version
Both versions
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# 2  If you voted for a buff of the upgraded version, which one do you prefer ?

The one in the OP (costs of 6, no +1 damage reduction)
Same costs as unupped (7) , with +1 damage reduction (compared to unupped)
Costs of 6 with +1 damage reduction
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg519959#msg519959
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2012, 05:33:13 am »
dont get me wrong, i understand -1 cost is pretty standard. i just cant count the number of times ROL hope ends up with 6 :light, and i feel like only costing 6 would be to strong for an immaterial x DR shield. a simple +1 DR on the other hand is strong enough to be an upgrade, while weak enough that its not OP.

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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg519961#msg519961
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 05:36:20 am »
dont get me wrong, i understand -1 cost is pretty standard. i just cant count the number of times ROL hope ends up with 6 :light, and i feel like only costing 6 would be to strong for an immaterial x DR shield. a simple +1 DR on the other hand is strong enough to be an upgrade, while weak enough that its not OP.
Most upgraded decks are at least a turn faster than unupped.
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg520033#msg520033
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2012, 09:28:17 am »
I voted for no buff. Hope can be extremely powerful -locking entire decks out of damage- and I'd rather see the unupgraded get +1 cost, makes the upgraded more useful, too! :P

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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg520101#msg520101
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2012, 01:55:39 pm »
Voted for -1 cost keeping the +1 DR. The argument is totally logical.
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg523916#msg523916
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2012, 08:49:42 am »
There is a large difference between 2 and 3 DR. There is much less difference between 8 and 9 DR.

I agree that a 6 :light upped Hope without the +1DR would be a wise change.
yeah keep it like the unupped but lower the cost.

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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg524363#msg524363
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2012, 09:14:50 pm »
I like that 1 DR, fools.
In non-fractal decks, it can be really helpful.
It could use a -1 cost, tho.
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg524471#msg524471
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2012, 04:07:44 am »
Which non-fractal deck would use Hope.
FFQ deck has lots of FFs to fuel Hope, so it is excluded. Mitosis is slow, good luck making one.
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg524509#msg524509
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2012, 06:01:32 am »
Which non-fractal deck would use Hope.
FFQ deck has lots of FFs to fuel Hope, so it is excluded. Mitosis is slow, good luck making one.

Luciferin decks...  ;) I also agree with keeping the upped +1 DR and lowering the cost to 7 :light (same with unupped).
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg524683#msg524683
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2012, 08:32:26 pm »
Which non-fractal deck would use Hope.
FFQ deck has lots of FFs to fuel Hope, so it is excluded. Mitosis is slow, good luck making one.

Luciferin decks...  ;) I also agree with keeping the upped +1 DR and lowering the cost to 7 :light (same with unupped).

This. Luciferin/Hope can be splashed in any element except Aether, or Air. The others all have a non-dragon vanilla creature to use.

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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg525307#msg525307
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2012, 01:06:59 pm »
Which non-fractal deck would use Hope.
FFQ deck has lots of FFs to fuel Hope, so it is excluded. Mitosis is slow, good luck making one.
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Re: Hope | Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14862.msg525310#msg525310
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2012, 01:14:07 pm »
Ah, yes, Luciferin works too. In that case, -1 cost and the DR is arguably situational.
If, like mentioned, it is used on FFQ deck, then 1+2+3 = 6 :light = out in 3 turns (instead of 4). But in Luci decks, Fractal decks, the cost does not make that big of a difference.

It's also interesting to see that both -1 cost and +1 DR buff (compared to unupped) are tied.
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