[Official] Hope | Hope

[nerd1]

i do not know of anyone who plays elite hope as the un-upped version is better- that one point blocker doesn't do much, so i propose we drop the cost to play it by one.

[XYTWO]

...this is like that thread to buff upped Fahrenheit. You're saying to make a powerful card more powerful due to not upgrading that great. In short, no.

[ArtCrusade]

I don't want to be the idiot repeating what others said already, but ..just what XYTWO said.

[zse]

i do not know of anyone who plays elite hope as the un-upped version is better- that one point blocker doesn't do much, so i propose we drop the cost to play it by one.

Hi my name is zse and I'm an upped Hope user.

That card is perfectly fine as it is, and having that +1 block is really worth the 1 extra cost. If you don't like it, just use the other un-upped one.

Having the un-upped and upped versions bit different makes deck-building much more interesting, you can't always automatically say that the upped version is better before you've tried and used both long enough. For other examples look for Dragons, Firefly, Phoenix, Mind Flayer, and Abomination.

[theloconate]

In every single rol hope deck they use unupped because of the extra quanta cost of elite hope. Definitely reduce cost by one

[Glitch]

Oh man!  Well, if a /deck/ doesn't like the card, surely it's a bad card.

You cannot balance cards based upon decks.  One of my favorite life decks upgrades the hope, as it gets plenty of light quanta but needs the shielding.

The upgrade is fine as is.

[Dan43]

...this is like that thread to buff upped Fahrenheit. You're saying to make a powerful card more powerful due to not upgrading that great. In short, no.

^  this

[MrBlonde]

In every single rol hope deck they use unupped because of the extra quanta cost of elite hope. Definitely reduce cost by one

That is not true. Some RoL/Hope decks do mix in upped hopes with unupped hopes. I for one mix them and i know others who do as well.

[Kuross]

I'd like to point out that when I've used a RoL/Hope deck against FGs not only does that +1 blocking damage make a difference, but the fact I need one less creature slot dedicated to a RoL to make up the +1 blocking is huge by itself. There's been a few times that extra creature slot being used for a Dragon or AA has made a world of difference.

I think the point here is that, though it may not be too pronounced, the effect of having a natural +1 blocking defense warrants the +1 it costs.

[Ryli]

I like to use the unupped but I see the advantages of upped.

It's like saying sundial is bad because of the movement of time to light, instead of improvement in every aspect. But if you played neither light or time surely it's good becuse it's free to play. Good for mono light to because you don't need to mix in time to play it.

[Demut]

There are other ways to use hope beyond RoL. Duh. So stupid to think RoL is the only deck that matters.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'm surprised by the amount of people that voted: yes, buff this card.
I for one greatly like the fact of an upgraded card not just being plain better, but allowing slightly different use of a card. Unupped Hope has the advantage of needing less quanta (= speed), but upgraded Hope adds one Damage Reduction that doesn't require a single creature!

When comparing it to Ice Shield -> Permafrost and Titanium Shield -> Diamond Shield you see adding one damage reduction doesn't come from just upgrading it: the play cost increases as well. I think just letting this cost one quantum extra is a perfect balance for it. So no change it is.