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Buff Grey Nymph|Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg192596#msg192596
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 09:24:54 pm »
This poll is both Buff and Nerf. I belive that the Grey Nymph|Death Nymph should have 1+ attack, but the aflatoxin cost increased by  :death. please vote.

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Re: Buff Grey Nymph|Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg192689#msg192689
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 10:30:14 pm »
Increase stats by 1|0 is a buff ? I don´t think so.
The attack value of 0 makes the nymph immune to all shields.
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Re: Buff Grey Nymph|Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg192706#msg192706
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2010, 10:44:11 pm »
Both would be a nerf, neither nerf is needed.

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Re: Buff Grey Nymph|Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg192712#msg192712
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2010, 10:52:03 pm »
Seeing as how aflatoxin can be just as harmful as it is helpful if not dealt with correctly, I would say that it needs no nerfing at all.

Increase stats by 1|0 is a buff ? I don´t think so.
The attack value of 0 makes the nymph immune to all shields.
Exactly.  If you're playing the nymph then you're not looking for damage from the nymph, you're looking to use the ability.  With that in mind, there is no need to give it +1/0.
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Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356490#msg356490
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2011, 03:27:06 pm »


Hello all,

I think Grey Nymph needs a HP buff, so I would suggest either:

+2 HP

OR

+ 3 HP +1 Ability cost.

Basically, I believe that the Health Points of the unupgraded Death-Element Nymph are too low in comparison to the upgraded version. It's way too fragile in my opinion and the verity of the problem is magnified by the way in which the format of this game seriously discourages the upgrading of nymphs. Giving the card 6+ HP would also keep it in sync synergywise with Red Nymph in a tears-bow (as it is when both are upgraded) and allow for a less fragile nymph (which, as the upgraded version has 7 HP - must not be deemed to be overpowered.)

You may at first think that a small change (i.e. 6HP to 7HP or -1 ability cost) would not be a sufficient change as an upgrade but I can assure you that small HP changes as an upgrade bonus are already in effect for other elements' Nymph cards. In the interests of Nymph Card Comparison, these can easily be viewed on the rares page of the game wiki as follows:

http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Rares (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Rares)

The Gravity Nymph Card, for example has a +1HP bonus for upgrading. The Light Nymph Card has a -1 ability cost bonus for upgrading.

Discuss.


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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356527#msg356527
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2011, 05:31:44 pm »
Only two CC cards in the game kill the unupped in one shot. Its fine as is.
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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356530#msg356530
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2011, 05:37:47 pm »
Only two CC cards in the game kill the unupped in one shot. Its fine as is.
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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356543#msg356543
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2011, 06:05:58 pm »
Other nymphs ( :fire:life:light:time ) with high HP upgraded also have high HP unupgraded (i.e. above that 1shot bracket) - why isn't Death? Also, it's not only those forms of CC that are HP dependant, take Devour for example. You can also mix in the effects of slower CC (Plague/Poison effects) and Chaos Seed/Pandemonium.



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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356556#msg356556
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2011, 06:24:54 pm »
Lightning and ragepot are very common cards, and shockwave and bolts are sometimes seen. There is a high risk this card will die quickly, but it's ability isn't strong enough to validate the high cost and low HP. I think +2 HP is needed.
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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356558#msg356558
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2011, 06:27:00 pm »
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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356562#msg356562
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2011, 06:36:34 pm »
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Yeah sorry overlooked the Poll, Poll added.

There is an old Grey Nymph topic that is completely different (it's about making the card stronger offensively?!  :-\) and which is fairly old now, maybe it could be locked if deemed unneccesary. Date on the old topic is 7 Nov 2010 and it can currently be found on page 5 for anyone interested in that.

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Re: Grey Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg356651#msg356651
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2011, 09:22:31 pm »
Think about this: with 0 atk grey Nymph ignores shield, so it can't be disturbed by them...It's a great defense...Also, using Aflatoxin for only :death, while the spell costs 6:death, makes it very useful...

I don't think grey nymph shold be changed at all, or, if it must, it should be nerfed increasing its ability cost.
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