[Official] Grey Nymph | Death Nymph

[Rember]

Hmm, I think this card could use a buff but I'm not sure more HP is the way to do it. I'd be interested in seeing the ability modified to put on more poison counters (3 or 4) to overcome growth creatures/provide a higher level of cc since nymphs are already very slow to come out and extremely CC prone. Alternatively maybe have it make upped malignant cells (0|1 iirc)? 

[Selvaria]

Lightning and ragepot are very common cards, and shockwave and bolts are sometimes seen. There is a high risk this card will die quickly, but it's ability isn't strong enough to validate the high cost and low HP. I think +2 HP is needed.

This^^

In its current state it is really hard to justify putting the unupped one on a deck.

[Tiko]

The reason behind the "low" hp is the fact that she completely ignores  all the shield effects. The only other nymph who does the same is the Auburn one, with 0|3 stats and a more expensive skill cost.

Also note, that she has been already buffed once, as her skill costed 3 (2 upped) before. Personally, I think she is one of the most powerful nymphs out there, because she can reproduce an 8 (!!!) cost spell each turn for a single quanta, and with this you can easily lock your opponent's whole board in a few turns with a proper shield, especially with some protection for the lady (with quint she's truely immortal). She can also serve as a form of CC with the 2 dmg/turn which is already somewhat better than the other infections at hand.

Upgraded she gets a far better survivability, and gains a reasonable resistance against the listed control cards, and still holds the power to lock you down in 4-5 turns. It's not a bad thing that she can't survive these unupgraded, just look at all the other unupgraded creatures, or even some of the nymphs. Only a few are capable of surviving a lightning or a rage pot.

I'm still suprised how underrated she is.

[Calindu]

It's the most unuseful nymph because you only need to strike once.

[Rember]

It's the most unuseful nymph because you only need to strike once.

You'd use a relatively vulnerable nymph that has summoning sickness and a higher cost over the spell version of aflatoxin for this because...? The way I see it the only reason to use this over the spell would be CC, ergo buff that.

e: @ddevans Yup, posting late at night might not be the best idea & I did misread that. My general point still stands, though.

[ddevans96]

It's the most unuseful nymph because you only need to strike once.

You'd use a relatively vulnerable nymph that has summoning sickness and a higher cost over the spell version of aflatoxin for this because...?

Just a thought, but I think he wouldn't.

[Neopergoss]

It's the most unuseful nymph because you only need to strike once.

You'd use a relatively vulnerable nymph that has summoning sickness and a higher cost over the spell version of aflatoxin for this because...? The way I see it the only reason to use this over the spell would be CC, ergo buff that.

e: @ddevans Yup, posting late at night might not be the best idea & I did misread that. My general point still stands, though.

CC is a big deal for a death card. Parasite combos well with bone wall. Grey nymph is harder to kill, on-element, and is better at killing things. AND you can make even more death effects because you create aflatoxins that you can then kill. It's not enough to make vulture or boneyard useful, though. Not to mention the more well-known and popular synergy with skull shield (which is still overrated even after both cards were buffed, if you ask me).

[dragonsdemesne]

My two cents:

I think the grey nymph is one of the weaker nymphs.  I propose a different suggestion; give the grey nymph some attacking power.  The Aether Nymph, for instance, has an ability that isn't very good, especially in monoaether, but it has 7 (8 upgraded) attack, more than any other nymph has.  If the Grey Nymph had even a few points of attack it would be a lot better, I think. (2 unupgraded, 3 upgraded maybe?)  And for the record, I don't have any grey nymphs yet, so I have no stake in what happens to it :p

[Calindu]

My two cents:

I think the grey nymph is one of the weaker nymphs.  I propose a different suggestion; give the grey nymph some attacking power.  The Aether Nymph, for instance, has an ability that isn't very good, especially in monoaether, but it has 7 (8 upgraded) attack, more than any other nymph has.  If the Grey Nymph had even a few points of attack it would be a lot better, I think. (2 unupgraded, 3 upgraded maybe?)  And for the record, I don't have any grey nymphs yet, so I have no stake in what happens to it :p

If you say quint isn't good you are wrong.Example:An aether nymph in IGT(or an Anubis)=quint almost all ghosts.

[zse]

My two cents:

I think the grey nymph is one of the weaker nymphs.  I propose a different suggestion; give the grey nymph some attacking power.  The Aether Nymph, for instance, has an ability that isn't very good, especially in monoaether, but it has 7 (8 upgraded) attack, more than any other nymph has.  If the Grey Nymph had even a few points of attack it would be a lot better, I think. (2 unupgraded, 3 upgraded maybe?)  And for the record, I don't have any grey nymphs yet, so I have no stake in what happens to it :p

We don't want to NERF Nymph by doing that! Having 0 attack is great for this card, as it protects it from all negative effects Shields may cause.

For more verbose and detailed ranter on this same topic: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24612

[Atico]

My two cents:

I think the grey nymph is one of the weaker nymphs.  I propose a different suggestion; give the grey nymph some attacking power.  The Aether Nymph, for instance, has an ability that isn't very good, especially in monoaether, but it has 7 (8 upgraded) attack, more than any other nymph has.  If the Grey Nymph had even a few points of attack it would be a lot better, I think. (2 unupgraded, 3 upgraded maybe?)  And for the record, I don't have any grey nymphs yet, so I have no stake in what happens to it :p

If you say quint isn't good you are wrong.Example:An aether nymph in IGT(or an Anubis)=quint almost all ghosts.

So Aether Nymph has got good skill and fantastic attack. Death Nymph has got... nothing.
Aflatoxin skill is much better as simple spell card. It cost less (6 if upped), and You can posion Your opponent 1-3 turns earlier (You don't need one turn when Nymphs skill is activated, and if Aflatoxin card is cheaper You can use it earlier).
So I think that problem is not in HP, but in attack and/or skill.

[Bonestorm]

I think the skill is fine, it's two damage repeatable poison which is useful eitherway. If you want the quick afla-lock the spell card is there to be used. A lot of the changes between upgraded and unupgraded versions of nymphs are very small, but this one is a very substantial 3hp Range which crosses the boundary of the 1shot from common unupgraded 'hard' CC cards. It would also make this card more viable unupgraded in a mono setting for example with less fragility. I don't see why it should warrant such low HP when the upgraded version has the luxury of 7, thats my issue with the card. Given the way community events on this game are run and work, I and any other right-minded player will strongly disadvise the upgrading of nymphs which magnifies the difference further still. Please read the OP properly, I feel I outlined my argument adequately.