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[Official] Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg155682#msg155682
« on: September 10, 2010, 12:30:44 pm »


Right, well as one of the twelve rarest cards that you can win in the game, you'd think that it's ability would be gosh darned absolutely fantabulous. But it's not. Grey Nymph's ability is Aflatoxin, a good spell, I agree, but not a good ability. Because who needs more than one or two Aflatoxin cards in a deck?
I know that the nymphs hold the ability of the Alchemy spell of each element, but while people would actually *want* repeated Rage Elixirs, or Adrenalines, or Black Holes, or Antimatters, or Unstable Gasses, or even Basilisk Blood, it's very rare you find yourself thinking- I've *got* 2 aflatoxins in my hand, but if only I could have, I don't know, an unlimited supply?

Because once you've used Aflatoxin a couple of times, it's useless. Yes, I guess you could use it as a poison, but there's many many cheaper cards for that. Plague, Bloodsucker, etc.

Anyway, I know that the ability has to be the elemental Alchemy spell, so I doubt the ability will change. So I think the Grey Nymph has to be made into a card that you'd actually use as an attacking creature- maybe with a lower cost and higher attack. Because the aflatoxin is more like an expensive secondary attribute- you're not going to use it every turn, and in  fact you might only use it once.

I don't think I've explained myself very well, but hopefully you'll understand what I mean- if you've got a grey nymph and you've found a deck or two it's good in, that'd be great. I've got 2 of them, and my attempts to put them in a deck have failed.


If you've got suggestions for a buff that'd be awesome
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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg155690#msg155690
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2010, 12:45:08 pm »
Absolutely agree. Those weak nymphs such as aether and water nymph, are still worth to use their ability each turn.

Death Nymph is the worst out of 12 Nymphs. It's the fact when Zanz tell us to enjoy the grey nymph if we got one.

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg155691#msg155691
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2010, 12:49:32 pm »
I actually love having CC on a stick on Monodeath. Death is good at stalling, so I think it's pretty good. I often see opponents remove their cells to play other creatures, and that's when it gets put to use again. That always totals up to more uses than I get from Nymph Queen or Turquoise. Also glad it doesn't have attack power to kill itself on Fire Shield/Thorn Carapace, unlike my useless Turquoise Nymph. Completely pointless in monoaether, and more expensive/weaker than Anubis. Bleh.
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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161062#msg161062
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 10:02:32 am »
This card is fine.
Infinite cheap Afloxin, yay!

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161135#msg161135
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 02:09:04 pm »
This card is fine.
Infinite cheap Afloxin, yay!
Aflatoxin the first time is sufficient, thank you very much. Parasites are also more efficient than Aflatoxin poison.

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161159#msg161159
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 03:20:39 pm »
Anyway, I know that the ability has to be the elemental Alchemy spell, so I doubt the ability will change. So I think the Grey Nymph has to be made into a card that you'd actually use as an attacking creature- maybe with a lower cost and higher attack. Because the aflatoxin is more like an expensive secondary attribute- you're not going to use it every turn, and in  fact you might only use it once.
I've seen it said several times that nymphs have the ability of the elemental alchemy spell.  What does this really mean?  What is the difference between the elemental alchemy spell and a normal spell?  Also how is air's alchemy spell unstable gas, which is actually a perminent.

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161165#msg161165
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 03:27:38 pm »
Anyway, I know that the ability has to be the elemental Alchemy spell, so I doubt the ability will change. So I think the Grey Nymph has to be made into a card that you'd actually use as an attacking creature- maybe with a lower cost and higher attack. Because the aflatoxin is more like an expensive secondary attribute- you're not going to use it every turn, and in  fact you might only use it once.
I've seen it said several times that nymphs have the ability of the elemental alchemy spell.  What does this really mean?  What is the difference between the elemental alchemy spell and a normal spell?  Also how is air's alchemy spell unstable gas, which is actually a perminent.
In patch 1.16, there were 12 spell cards added into the game. One for each element (well, UG is technically a permanent...). They were called the Alchemy spells:

 :aether  Quintessence
 :air  Unstable Gas
 :darkness  Liquid Shadow
 :death  Alfatoxin
 :earth  Basilisk Blood
 :entropy  Antimatter
 :fire  Rage Elixir
 :gravity  Black Hole
 :life  Adrenaline
 :light  Luciferin (meh...)
 :time  Precognition
 :water  Nymphs' Tears

Each of the Nymph has as an ability the alchemy spell of it's element.
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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161173#msg161173
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 03:35:31 pm »
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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161176#msg161176
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 03:38:13 pm »
Actually, they weren´t released at once,

Adrenaline
in 1.15
Quintessence
Rage Potion
in 1.16
Aflatoxin
Antimatter
Luciferin
Liquid Shadow
in 1.17
Basilisk's blood
Black hole
Unstable Gas
Nymph's Tears
Precognition
in 1.18

The Nymphs themselves came in 1.18, but you could only get them from Nymphs Tears, Mutation+Rewind and Hatching a Fate Egg. You could obtain them as standalone in 1.19, when the Oracle was added.

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161188#msg161188
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 03:57:12 pm »
Thank you guys for your fast and precise answers. 

Back to the original post.  I think it could use a cost decrease to play.  As of right now, it takes 3 uses to have a cheaper cost than using upgraded aflatoxins.  By this point it becomes a bit redundant.  If it was a little cheaper to play it would be useful for the aflatoxin effect the first few times and the double poison to bring down creatures after that.

I would say as low as 6 or 7 maybe reasonable.

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161199#msg161199
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 04:17:38 pm »
precog is a more useful ability and golden nymph has good stats... I don't agree in reducing the cost to play because all nymphs should have a pattern, but I think grey nymph should have stats as good as golden's.

by the way, luciferin sucks too, at least when you're playing a rainbow deck with nymph's tears...

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Re: Grey Nymph | Death Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg161242#msg161242
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 05:23:03 pm »
I actually like this nymph when combined with a timebow, where malignant cells might grow in too large numbers with just aflatoxin, you won't have to worry about eradicating them all at once with Death Nymph (Unstable Gas?).

It's also the creature with the best concentrated poison CC in the game (Bloodsucker applies only one poison counter)

As for the stats, don't forget it gets boosted by Eclipse, although as is, it has increased efficiency against Fire Shields (where all malignant cells instantly die).

 

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