[Official] Forest Scorpion | Scorpion

[n00b]

Well, after a very large discussion in chat, I decided that our talkingsingness should be posted here. Basically, Forest Scorpion, primarily the unupgraded version, is too weak to be able to do much if any damage before shields are able to block the damage required for poison to be dealt. I don't have much else to say besides that, except for a proposed buff:
Make Forest Scorpion 2|2 for 3 and, when upgraded, make Scorpion 2|2 for 2 . This in turn makes Forest Scorpion worth using and makes Scorpion more able to be implemented into decks that rely on quick damage, such as rushes. I don't have much else to say, except for the magic word:

Discuss.

[Calindu]

Life needs more CC, so why not giving Scorpion to poison the target creature?

My idea is:

 : Inflict 2 damage per turn to a target creature, delay itself.

[Ilias22]

I think this card is ok for me...Let it as it is.

[Poker Alho]

making it cheaper seems a good buff. would certainly help make adrenascorps decks faster

[Vangelios]

he is very good, no need to buff the damage of poison is more powerful because it remains even with the dead creature, with this buff you'd be making same effect of the flying arsenic.

[willng3]

he is very good, no need to buff the damage of poison is more powerful because it remains even with the dead creature, with this buff you'd be making same effect of the flying arsenic.

This creature is completely walled by nearly every shield in the game when its purpose should be to help give Life a way around these shields.  Even in a Life-based PvP setting I seldom if ever find myself using this card because it's either destroyed too easily or has its effect negated too easily by my opponent.  As it stands you're lucky to get off even 3 poison counters before the creature is killed or walled for the rest of the game; it is in fact not very good but near useless in its current condition.
I also don't understand your stance on making it the "same effect of the flying arsenic".  Buffing Forest Scorpion would still make it both a) more expensive and b) easier to kill than Arsenic in addition to the fact that they both have the same effect already.  Upgraded it would still deal 2 less damage.  It really wouldn't overshadow Arsenic in the slightest.

Life needs more CC, so why not giving Scorpion to poison the target creature?

My idea is:

 : Inflict 2 damage per turn to a target creature, delay itself.

Because Life needs to bypass shields more than it needs new forms of CC.  And then considering that Life also has a huge problem with keeping its creatures on the field, I don't foresee this proposed change getting used often, if at all.

I fully support the changes proposed by the OP.

[nensuru]

Some stats about the card..

Unnuped scorp vs Unnuped cockatrice

Spoiler for Hidden:

Turn	Total damage Unnuped scorp	X	Unnuped Cockatrice Total damage
1	1(1)		4
2	3(2)		8
3	6(3)		12
4	10(4)		16
5	15(5)		20
6	21(6)		24
7	28(7)		28
8	36(8 )		32
9	45(9)		36

Unnuped Noob's scrop vs Unnuped Cockatrice

Spoiler for Hidden:

Turns	U.N.S.T.D.	X	U.C.T.D
1	2(1)		4
2	5(2)		8
3	9(3)		12
4	14(4)		16
5	20(5)		20
6	27(6)		24
7	35(7)		28
8	44(8 )		32
9	54(9)		34

Imo the unnuped seems good, since you can stop a scorp more easly then a cockatrice

The upped seens op to me. From all the scorps the green is the only with a in element buff (adrenaline).

The upgraded Noob's scorp would make adrena + scorp a 5 for 8 physical damage and 2 poison damage per turn with is much better ihmo them deathstalker, who needs a duo to work.

I would suggest a +1/2 defense on the upped and stay with 3

[nensuru]

i clicked quote istead of modify X.X

[Vangelios]

It wants to increase the damage, use blessing, to create a deck of life and poison, very useful.

[omegareaper7]

It wants to increase the damage, use blessing, to create a deck of life and poison, very useful.

So for it to be useful, it needs to have another card to buff it? Sorry, but this isn't death stalker or dune scorpion, this card needs to be buffed itself. Decreasing cost would help, but like has been pointed out, the upped might benefit more then it should from it.

[ARTHANASIOS]

 Seriously, do you think Forest Scorpion | Scorpion needs buff? As a fanatic player, I seriously find tis card a little overpowered in comparison with any other scorpion! No buff needed.
 Let us discuss a few things; Forest Scorpion is the only scorpion able to deal damage as it is, without any buffs. Because of this, it can strike extremely fast if you have one on your starting hand and it is very good if Adrenalined|Epinerphined. Furthermore, this card can be a menace against mono or mono if played early enough, before a Dim Shield chain or Wings chain occurs. I have defeated countless mono-aether decks this way. As for DR shields, there are Blessings ( is extremely easy to be combined with ) and there are Frogs/Cockatrices (no one says to fill your deck only with Forest Scorpions). Against AI, this card is even better, since it doesn't only acts as a soft PC against a few types of shields, but it also acts as CC bait (Otyughs eats them instead of Frogs/Cockatrices and they become poisoned, Wardens block them even with a Titanium Shield on your opponen'ts shield slot etc.), making it a reliable card versus AI3 or Bronze League. Seriously, no buff needed, this card rocks!

[Cheesy111]

Seriously, do you think Forest Scorpion | Scorpion needs buff? As a fanatic player, I seriously find tis card a little overpowered in comparison with any other scorpion! No buff needed.
 Let us discuss a few things; Forest Scorpion is the only scorpion able to deal damage as it is, without any buffs. Because of this, it can strike extremely fast if you have one on your starting hand and it is very good if Adrenalined|Epinerphined. Furthermore, this card can be a menace against mono or mono if played early enough, before a Dim Shield chain or Wings chain occurs. I have defeated countless mono-aether decks this way. As for DR shields, there are Blessings ( is extremely easy to be combined with ) and there are Frogs/Cockatrices (no one says to fill your deck only with Forest Scorpions). Against AI, this card is even better, since it doesn't only acts as a soft PC against a few types of shields, but it also acts as CC bait (Otyughs eats them instead of Frogs/Cockatrices and they become poisoned, Wardens block them even with a Titanium Shield on your opponen'ts shield slot etc.), making it a reliable card versus AI3 or Bronze League. Seriously, no buff needed, this card rocks!

Anything about any card against AI is irrelevant regarding balance.