[Official] Firefly Queen | Elite Queen

[hell_maker_2943]

Steam machine 0|15 cost 5 +2
and grow 4 damage per turn
counters:
(14)rewind,eternity, grav pull,antimatter, twin universe(opponent),mutate,freeze,basilisk blood,phase shield,wing,gravity shield,iridium warden,mind flayer,liquid shadow
Firefly queen UPPED 3|7 cost 7 +2
and spawn 4|2 firefly+1fire
counters:
(18)firewall, thorn shield, skull shield, plague,rain of fire,titanium shield, tower shield,retrovirus,otyugh,maxwell demon,phase shield,pandemonium, mind flayer,hope,owl's eye,unstable gas,pharaoh,liquid shadow
To sum up firefly queen cost more and has more counters.
She should cost at least 2 less!

To be fair, I think the steam machine counters are more effective.

And you're not accounting for FFQ's synergies, which are most of its appeal. Of course, A cost reduction IS needed. -1, perhaps, or -2 with an hp reduction... prone to CC but fast to get out and spam fireflies.

Do remember, you two, that Steam Machine loses 1 attack every turn.

So:

After 4 Turns:

Steam Machine = 13 attack.

FFQ (Upped) = 4x 4|2 creatures + 3 attack from itself = 19 damage and 10 fire quanta.

FFQ easily wins.

[OldTrees]

Steam Machine: Gains +5 per turn but loses 1 per turn.
Firefly Queen: Gains +3 per turn
Lava Golem: Gains +2 per turn

Column 2&3: Lava Golem (cost is  + + 1 [my constant used to equalize duo quanta costs])
Column 4&5: Firefly Queen (cost is  + + 1)
Column 6&7: Steam Machine: (cost is  + + 1)

Turn	Damage	Cost	Damage	Cost	Damage	Cost
01	005	05	003	07	000	04
02	012	07	009	10	005	07
03	021	08	018	12	014	09
04	032	09	030	14	027	11
05	045	10	045	16	044	13
06	060	11	063	18	065	15
07	077	12	084	20	090	17
08	096	13	108	22	119	19
09	117	14	135	24	152	21
10	140	15	165	26	189	23
11	165	16	198	28	230	25
12	192	17	234	30	XXX	XX
13	221	18	XXX	XX	XXX	XX

100 damage efficiency [Damage/Cost/Turns]
LG: 096/13/08=0.92
FFQ: 108/22/08=0.61
SM: 090/17/07=0.76

200 damage efficiency [Damage/Cost/Turns]
LG: 192/17/12=0.94
FFQ: 198/28/11=0.64
SM: 189/23/10=0.82

Note: FFQ has a higher casting cost than LG or SM and thus hits play later usually.
FFQ damage efficiencies assuming +1 turn
100: 108/22/09=0.55
200: 198/28/12=0.59

[killsdazombies]

I say +1 cost
-1 ability cost.

[Chromatophore]

I don't think this needs a nerf buff.  The damage comparisons are all well and good, but ffq ends up generating quanta through the fireflies it produces as well.

When considering ffq versus steam machine or lava golem, there are (of course) both advantages and disadvantages to having just one card versus having several but overall i think having multiple cards is more advantageous.  The chief reason imo lava golem is the strongest of the three cards is its rush potential when combined with immolation.

Ffq isn't too great with just life and air quanta but it can be pretty useful in a rainbow deck.

EDIT: i was thinking nerf the cost i guess

[RagingAlien]

I currently have a deck made of Sky Blitzes, FFQs, Hopes and a few Bonds. As other cards appear to counter FFQ, you need to add more and more cards around it to make it at all useful - which makes it a big no, since my deck has almost 50 cards and chance of getting it started fast is close to 0.

-1 would be nice, since you would no longer need that many cards around to get it going and to repay for the lost time.

[Sevs]

Steam Machine: Gains +5 per turn but loses 1 per turn.
Firefly Queen: Gains +3 per turn
Lava Golem: Gains +2 per turn

Column 2&3: Lava Golem (cost is  + + 1 [my constant used to equalize duo quanta costs])
Column 4&5: Firefly Queen (cost is  + + 1)
Column 6&7: Steam Machine: (cost is  + + 1)

Turn	Damage	Cost	Damage	Cost	Damage	Cost
01	005	05	003	07	000	04
02	012	07	009	10	005	07
03	021	08	018	12	014	09
04	032	09	030	14	027	11
05	045	10	045	16	044	13
06	060	11	063	18	065	15
07	077	12	084	20	090	17
08	096	13	108	22	119	19
09	117	14	135	24	152	21
10	140	15	165	26	189	23
11	165	16	198	28	230	25
12	192	17	234	30	XXX	XX
13	221	18	XXX	XX	XXX	XX

100 damage efficiency [Damage/Cost/Turns]
LG: 096/13/08=0.92
FFQ: 108/22/08=0.61
SM: 090/17/07=0.76

200 damage efficiency [Damage/Cost/Turns]
LG: 192/17/12=0.94
FFQ: 198/28/11=0.64
SM: 189/23/10=0.82

Note: FFQ has a higher casting cost than LG or SM and thus hits play later usually.
FFQ damage efficiencies assuming +1 turn
100: 108/22/09=0.55
200: 198/28/12=0.59

Your formulas donesn't account for and damage reducing shield which greatly affects firefly queen more than steam machine and it doesn't account for the synergies that firefly queen has like hope or firebolt or empathic bond.

Overall I do feel it needs a -1 buff because it takes too long to get anything set up to compete with most cards.

[Monox D. I-Fly]

I think it's fine as it is. And why do you guys compare it with Steam Machine and not Pharaoh instead? Remember that Firefly Queen's and Pharaoh's effect a similar to each other (generating smaller creatures).

[willng3]

I think it's fine as it is. And why do you guys compare it with Steam Machine and not Pharaoh instead? Remember that Firefly Queen's and Pharaoh's effect a similar to each other (generating smaller creatures).

Pharaoh being fully capable of running off of a mono-element might have something to do with that.

[The_Mormegil]

I think it's fine as it is. And why do you guys compare it with Steam Machine and not Pharaoh instead? Remember that Firefly Queen's and Pharaoh's effect a similar to each other (generating smaller creatures).

Except that it isn't. Pharaoh's generated creatures are for control. They have an in-element spawn ability, they have less attack, they have an off-element ability that is repeatable CC, and their HP depend on their number.

[OldTrees]

I think it's fine as it is. And why do you guys compare it with Steam Machine and not Pharaoh instead? Remember that Firefly Queen's and Pharaoh's effect a similar to each other (generating smaller creatures).

Scarabs have Swarm and Devour. I do not trust the average reader to be able to mentally adjust the numbers to compensate like I expect they can with LG, FFQ and SM. Generating quanta is easier to understand and mentally compensate for than a growing repeatable threat of CC. Also FFQ, LG and SM are Brute Force Win Condition cards. Pharaoh is a Control Win Condition card.

[Glitch]

I see no reason why her cost shouldn't be reduced to 6 again.

Like the good old days.

[DarkGate]

This card has an amazing potential in the right deck combination, heck i used to run one of the singlehandedly strongest dekcs n the game based on FFQ(before upgraded cards even existed).  Sadly it was a bit too effective and I ended up playing a contributing factor to its first nerf or two >_>.