[Official] Fire Spirit | Fire Spectre

[BluePriest]

the cost of 3 makes it weaker, cause in decks, based on spirits (or rainbows with quantum towers or only a few burnings), its all about speed, the "real" difference is the +1 defense, rest is pretty the same (cause same attack at the same time).

Umm... upped version is faster, not unupped. It takes 2+1 quanta for unupped version to get 2 attack. It takes 3 quanta for upped version to get 2 attack. The difference is that upped version gives you 2 attack at the turn you play the card, while unupped version gives that to you one turn later.

So the difference between those two cards is 1 turn and 1 HP. Cost is the same. Meaning upped version IS better.

I have to agree with malduk here.

[Antagon]

thats true for mid to late game, or maybe real mono-fire decks, but in rainbows or decks with not many burning pillars/towers, and at starting phase, they are nearly equal.

i also would prefer a change to dual-color (like  or  to "pump"), and a bit better initial stats.

in mono decks, you have a lots of counterproductive synergies, like farenheit and bolts (or high-cost dragons), so quantum-eating spirits are not the best choice, and for rainbows most of the time golem is far better.

i would really like to see a small buff of upgraded version, like 2/4-stats or 1/3 with 2 cost, to make it more frequently used.

[Skyfox]

I agree with Malduk and Blue Priest.

Antagon, while you make a valid point, I would leave the Fire Spectre the way it is, a mono growth card.  It is not as attractive as some other growth cards for a rainbow, but I agree with the general movement I see in Elements to weaken the rainbow.  So, even if Fire Spectre only makes sense for mono- , that's fine - it doesn't have to compete, necessarily, with other elements' growth cards. 

[Antagon]

  So, even if Fire Spectre only makes sense for mono- , that's fine

in mono decks, you have a lots of counterproductive synergies, like farenheit and bolts (or high-cost dragons)

[BluePriest]

dont misunderstand me, fire specter definitely needs a buff (preferably hp) but there are next to no circumstances where it would be worse than the unupped

[Smokefree]

  This card just got a buff last month new passive ability "Airborne"   

[guolin]

This card just got a buff last month new passive ability "Airborne"   

"Airborne" is barely a conceivable buff until there are more things that rely on "Airborne."

Also, I just used this guy today in the No Land Stompy deck. Personally, I think it needs more attack right off the bat. :/

[Smokefree]

This card just got a buff last month new passive ability "Airborne"   

"Airborne" is barely a conceivable buff until there are more things that rely on "Airborne."

Also, I just used this guy today in the No Land Stompy deck. Personally, I think it needs more attack right off the bat. :/

Well personally i dont think the Grand Master of Fire needs and more Creature Buffs to add to his assault 

[Antagon]

the grand master definitly needs more variations of his deck for trials, that could be caused by balancing fire-cards, and spectre is far the weakest (and will find no use in my decks, the way it is right now).

[jmdt]

in mono decks, you have a lots of counterproductive synergies, like farenheit and bolts (or high-cost dragons), so quantum-eating spirits are not the best choice, and for rainbows most of the time golem is far better.

This is part of the reason i stopped paying fire when i first started and switched to earth.  Many of the fire cards do not synergise well.  I play a dragon and my firebolts and farenheit all get weaker.  That's part of the way fire stays balanced though,  Everything is expensive and they need lots of quanta to operate.

I always look at spectres as immolation foddor that can grow if I need it too.  Phoenix's are stuck at 4 attack, while these puppies can grow pretty large over time if they're not needed to get other cards out.  They're not useless, their role is just overshadowed.

[dragonhuman]

maybe change it to start with lots of health like maybe 0/8 or something and have growth  +3/-1 ??

[SickPillow]

The increased cost of the spectre makes him worse in any fast deck. Spirit is fine as it is, but the upgraded version should actually be better and needs a buff.