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[Official] Fire Shield | Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196078#msg196078
« on: November 07, 2010, 10:41:02 pm »


Fire buckler is an underused shield for a reason. I think the upped version should also block 1 damage. Look at thron carapace, when you upp it, it block 1 damage. The poisoning effect from thorn carapce also stacks.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2015, 02:10:52 am by Treldon »
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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196081#msg196081
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2010, 10:46:53 pm »
1) Fire Buckler is not underused
2) Making it block 1 damage would be situational nerf, not buff. I use unupped Carapace.

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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196142#msg196142
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 12:14:24 am »
What Malduk said is dead on.  One major benefit of fire shield is killing RoL and Werewolf instantly.  This would make it a worse shield IMO.  And its not underused at all.

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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196146#msg196146
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2010, 12:17:16 am »
how would making it so it blocks 1 damage and does 1 damage to each enemy creature make it worse?
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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196147#msg196147
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2010, 12:18:17 am »
What Malduk said is dead on.  One major benefit of fire shield is killing RoL and Werewolf instantly.  This would make it a worse shield IMO.  And its not underused at all.
I know this one all too well, as a user of various destroyer rushes. Slam this down turn 1 and even the strongest creature (destroyer) falls within a turn, Along with the werewolfs and forest spirits. Cn't put the rays down in desperation down either.
It also works shockingly well in firestalls. Kills off low hp creatures without the need to waste bolts.

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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196151#msg196151
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2010, 12:25:40 am »
how would making it so it blocks 1 damage and does 1 damage to each enemy creature make it worse?
While it would be more powerful against many decks, it would be useless against some decks that it completely shuts down in its current state.  For example, if we were to play a match, and you were using a RoL-Hope deck and I played this shield, you lose.  If it had 1 damage reduction, your RoL's would live and you would not be shut down.  Honestly, the card would work find if the upped blocked 1 more damage, but that would have to be balanced out by a cost raise, which is bad.  Cheap, effective shields > expensive, effective shields.

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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196163#msg196163
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2010, 12:52:31 am »
how would making it so it blocks 1 damage and does 1 damage to each enemy creature make it worse?
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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196167#msg196167
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 12:58:01 am »
how would making it so it blocks 1 damage and does 1 damage to each enemy creature make it worse?
Going with genraenera's example. Ray of light = 1 attack. Your upped version blocks it's attack, meaning the shield can't shut down a RoL/Hope. Same goes for various other cards (Water Nymph, rustler, etc). It reduces the number of cards the shield can kill.

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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196172#msg196172
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2010, 01:03:13 am »
my bad, i dont know the exact mechanics of shields workings.
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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196519#msg196519
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2010, 11:25:52 am »
my bad, i dont know the exact mechanics of shields workings.
People should first get some info about game mechanics before posting on buff/nerf section.



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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196548#msg196548
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2010, 12:45:04 pm »
my bad, i dont know the exact mechanics of shields workings.
People should first get some info about game mechanics after posting on buff/nerf section.
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But I understand why you would think fire shield is underused, since carapace was implemented into the game, some people thought it would do better as an aggressive shield since the poison would accumulate. Meaning it was faster killing drags and stuff, but many rushes start off with creatures with 1 hp. I went against this fire stall with super fast destroyer rush in t50 and it was a sloowwww game since my destroyers lasted for a turn...
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Re: Fire Buckler https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15331.msg196551#msg196551
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2010, 12:49:45 pm »
Fire buckler is an underused shield for a reason. I think the upped version should also block 1 damage.
Fire Buckler is not underused! It's one of the best shields in the game. No buff needed ...

 

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