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How do you think this card should be buffed?

There is no buff needed.
Reduce it's cost to 4|3.
Make it stackable.
Reduce it's cost to 4|3 and make it stackable.
Another change (please post).

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[Official] Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151440#msg1151440
« on: August 16, 2014, 06:20:58 pm »


This card seems to be pretty much outclassed by ; comparing the upped ones you need 10 creatures out for the bonds to get the same cost/healing-ratio with life mark and six without, which means the shards are played faster due to lower cost and provide a good healing from the beginning of the match; and they donĀ“t have to fear about CC. Additionally, shards stack and can be saved by just one Enchant Artifact, while the bonds need one each.

I think, reducing the cost to 4|3 could do the job well; now there are just 7.5 creatures needed with mark (which is still a bit stronger thinking about the other advantages, but should be fine due to the must of choosing that mark) and 4.5 without (which should be a good balancing). Making them stackable would be another possibility to buff by giving them the same easy protection by one EA.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151446#msg1151446
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2014, 06:34:33 pm »
Bond is a card that can become very powerful with the right combos. Add a card like Alpha Wolf to Life & suddenly Bond has to be nerfed more than buffed from where it is now
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151447#msg1151447
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2014, 06:35:48 pm »
 Though I wouldn't mind its cost reduced to 4|3 (it is fair to have a low cost since it is a card which can't act by itself, much like Soul Catcher or Boneyard) I don't think it is outclassed by SoGratitude. See, SoG is for creatureless (or almost creatureless) life stalls while Bonds are for creature spamming life stalls (or rush/stall mixtures). Since they both heal yet they are used at different deck archtypes, I don't think bond is outclassed by any other healing card in what it does and it can be proven a pain to deal with.
 So, I chose for "it is fine as it is" but maybe, just maybe, a 4|3 cost would've been more fair...

@Serpex: Let's keep this discussion to the correct cardpool, yes? I am not asking this because you're wrong (though I think Toxic Fungus would've been a much better example in comparison to Alpha Wolf) but because it may mislead the subject, its topic and its discussion.
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151448#msg1151448
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2014, 06:38:41 pm »
You listed an option to make it stackable, but the effect is already stackable.
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151450#msg1151450
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2014, 06:40:44 pm »
You listed an option to make it stackable, but the effect is already stackable.

I think Ginyu means to be stackable like SoGs are and to be able to be Enchanted by a single EA.
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151453#msg1151453
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2014, 06:54:58 pm »
Just want to point out that, done right, you're looking at a maximum of 23 from one bond alone.
That's 150 HP a turn with all six out. I have a 30 card deck with 15 pillars. That deck has 6 dragons in, and I will always get 2-5 of those dragons turn 10.

Maybe the right bond deck hasn't been made yet.
Maybe the right bond card hasn't been made yet.
I'm inclined to say the card isn't there.

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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151454#msg1151454
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2014, 07:01:54 pm »
Shard of gratitude heals a max of 5. Bond heals a max of 23. There is a large difference there. 

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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151456#msg1151456
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2014, 07:07:49 pm »
@ARTH I only mention it because the nature of a buff thread is to essentially discuss changing the card pool. So in a way discussing cards which aren't in the current card pool is relevant since both are about changing the card pool. Buffing is a bit more discrete about it, but as you mention Fungus, there's a lot of card ideas (& especially Life card ideas) which combo well with Bond

Bond works in the right deck. Vamptosis/Devtosis runs them. FFQ/Hope too. Bond also doesn't require you use Mark of Life. If Fractal didn't eclipse Mitosis we'd see Bond more. Bond is a combo card, so comparing it in vacuum to SoG is ill fated. In a generic deck SoG is better
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151457#msg1151457
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2014, 07:11:20 pm »
You can, aflatoxin one of your creatures, then play sopa once it dies. You get tons of cells filling your feild, a sopa to boost their health and damage, and add this and you get 23 healing for each.
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151468#msg1151468
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2014, 08:49:23 pm »
You listed an option to make it stackable, but the effect is already stackable.

I think Ginyu means to be stackable like SoGs are and to be able to be Enchanted by a single EA.

Correct, sorry for the misunderstanding.

However, you convinced me. In my experience, I just couldn't remember much decks having enough time to put enough creatures out to make the bonds usuable (apart from Ferox, but that's a different story). The result in the poll has also already been clear, so it's done.
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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1151481#msg1151481
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2014, 10:00:21 pm »
You can, aflatoxin one of your creatures, then play sopa once it dies. You get tons of cells filling your feild, a sopa to boost their health and damage, and add this and you get 23 healing for each.
That's a trio with 3 expensive cards in it. Hardly an abuse

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Re: Empathic Bond | Feral Bond https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55452.msg1154332#msg1154332
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 10:24:05 pm »
No. Just no. Most balanced card in life.

 

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