[Official] Emerald Shield | Jade Shield

[Pyrodinium]

is have more a defensive theme compared to  so I guess low cost shields are okay for the element.  on the other hand excels at summoning low cost critters and a low cost shield would unnecessarily power it up. Besides, it has fast healing spells and permanents to compensate for the slow defense anyways.

I think shaving one quanta off Emerald Shield is okay.

However, Jade Shield's cost should be kept as is, 2 defense is no laughing matter (think Serket). Its  cousin Tower Shield, which has the same ability. costs 5 quanta to play. That expensive ability + reflect + immaterial justifies the 7 cost.

You can't compare a  and a  card cost in 1-1. For better comparation:


it's shows that 2 reduction is not 5 , only 4 .



Immortality+1 shield+Reflection is only 2  . 1 damage reductionshould be 2 and the other abili... wait, does it free? So how that's justifies the high cost?

In this case, the Jade shield should cost 4  + 2    -> 6 (we taken out the 1 damage reduction from the Mirror shield as combining cost, but if we don't, -2 and add 1 for combine, so that's 5 ).

The unupped shield is nearly the same.

 2 for Reflective shield + 2 for 1 damage reduction (btw the normal shield is only costs 1 ) and 1 for combining -> 5 

Yep, the way needs some refining.

I can compare whatever cards I like and so could you.

I considered the Titanium Shield as well but theme encourages defense so a cheap but tough shield is normal for it.  Tower Shield is the most neutral comparison that you can get.

My problem with Jade Shield is that it has three functions so I think an extra is warranted the cost.

As I said earlier, the theme should be considered too. is more focused on low cost offense (which you agreed) rather than (shield type) defense so it would just be fair that it has more expensive shields. If - gets a quanta for free for their froggies then where did that + quanta went to balance the element then?

[Klipsf4g]

The thing that makes Emerald Shield and Reflective Shield unique is its spell-stopping power. (I don't consider the immortality unique because Enchant Artifact has the same effect.) However, this only applies to spell DAMAGE, and there is rarely good reason to attack anyone with spells, as they are more effective at stopping creatures to give you more time to get out creatures that will deal more damage, or will have a stronger effect on the field. Even the highest damaging spell can at 75(!) fire quanta only deal a measly 24 damage. Against players, you'd need 4 + something to finish (eg Fahrenheit in this case), and when you're doing arenas or lvl4s it's not going to cut it.

Then there are psions and Shard of Wisdom, which is the only spell damage strong enough to be considered a problem. However, these are still fairly rare, and putting in a card purely to counter an 'occasional' problem might slow your deck down and lower your winrate against other decks.

As such, the spell-damage-reflecting power is what is UP and deserves a rework; for example, for it to make you untargetable to enemy spellcasts. (Psions and SoW'd creatures could simply not attack as a slight nerf/balance.) Or for an (x) quanta cost, to make your creatures / a creature untargetable for 1 turn. Either way, this would obviously go with a lower damage block in the case of Emerald Shield and a higher quanta cost for Reflective Shield.

tl;dr right now, the only special jig about Emerald and Jade shield is the innate immortality, and the spellblock is often useless. Reducing cost would only change it into a Shield or Towershield with immunity to PC, which shouldn't be what these cards are about. The unique thing about these cards, the spellblock, does deserve a mechanics rework.

[Coolkid1]

Intro stuff, body stuff.
Mirror Shield is considered balanced, and not considered a strong card. It costs 2 + 1 card + 1 upgrade. Emerald Shield, which has exactly the same effect, costs 5 + 1 card.
The rest.

the funny thing is that the rustler can make 4 quanta with 2 quanta... +1 and you get an emerald shield.   (theyre the same effect too...)
just putting that out there.
1  + 2    ~~rustler~~>  5 

[CuCN]

The rustler has a card cost as well: 1 + 1 card (not counting the 1 turn before it can use its ability).
2 + 2 + 1 card --> 5

[Coolkid1]

gahah. you got me there. the extra turn would be too much of a cost to me as it is with my generally minimalistic CC.

[Submachine]

I noticed that for some reason Zanzarino finds immortality a good reason for a cost raise, and it is also true for this shield. I voted -2 cost on both card.

[Robsta43]

I feel the reason to take this shield is because of immortal and reflect, the 2 damage reduction is a rather common ability that can be found elsewhere much cheaper. 

Notice that every shield that has reflect also has immortal, this is to help alleviate the fact that reflect was, and still is, a very niche effect useful against a very few deck types.  Against these deck types it is amazing.  Thus the problem in the card's design. 

So my suggestion is that its versatility should be increased.  They could do any of the following (as well as what they did before) and not loose flavor. 

1) Reflect all abilities that effect you, not just spells (poison, venom, shard of void, etc).
or
2) Reflect spells that effect your hand or quanta pool (Black hole, nightmare)
or
3) Reflect spells that effect all of your creatures (fire storm, thunderstorm, Dry spell, plague).

EDIT: Note I would suggest doing this to both emerald/jade shield and to mirror shield.

[sathur]

i voted 6 because it only raises the def by 1, but it also blocks any spell effects. so i think it should be the same as a diamond shield that blocks 3 but doesn't block spells.So take the 2 physical blocked and the ability of spell blocking and it's about equal. 

[furkannnO]

I feel the reason to take this shield is because of immortal and reflect, the 2 damage reduction is a rather common ability that can be found elsewhere much cheaper. 

Notice that every shield that has reflect also has immortal, this is to help alleviate the fact that reflect was, and still is, a very niche effect useful against a very few deck types.  Against these deck types it is amazing.  Thus the problem in the card's design. 

So my suggestion is that its versatility should be increased.  They could do any of the following (as well as what they did before) and not loose flavor. 

1) Reflect all abilities that effect you, not just spells (poison, venom, shard of void, etc).
or
2) Reflect spells that effect your hand or quanta pool (Black hole, nightmare)
or
3) Reflect spells that effect all of your creatures (fire storm, thunderstorm, Dry spell, plague).

EDIT: Note I would suggest doing this to both emerald/jade shield and to mirror shield.

SoV is already quite a bit underpowered, why be able to reflect it?
Poison reflection would be overpowered?
BH-Nightmare reflect? how would that even work? if they use BH they lose quanta and heal you? and they'd heal you and fractal the creature for 1 darkness quanta? derp.
Dry spell hits every creature how would reflect even work, and thats the thing with group CCs: they are supposed to hit even through cloak/SoFree ETC

I do agree the shields could  each use -1 quanta cost

[UndeadSpider1990]

Necro-ing his because it doesn't make sense to duplicate the case.
(Btw, I find the balancing notes in the OP baffling, lol.)

I'm in full support it *at least* needs a -1 cost buff to both. The DR could be quite given that it is also Immaterial, but 5|7 is just too much for a 'just slightly' useful card. The Reflective property is far too niche to justify the high cost.