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[Official] Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137287#msg137287
« on: August 13, 2010, 05:59:05 am »


Up for examination is Deathstalker.  I said it before the card came out and the first day live has proven that deathstalker is an underpowered card.  It is completely overshadowed by dune scorpions effect and synergy with eternity and forest scorpions synergy with adrenaline.  This card will see very little play in its current form from those that wish to use poison.

My personal recommendation is giving this card 1 attack, even if that means raising the cost higher.  At 1 attack it is effective, but easily blocked by shields.

I will add a poll later when a few more suggestions come up.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137314#msg137314
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2010, 07:42:24 am »
i agree with this,you can kill it easily and you need some other cards to let it work
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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137353#msg137353
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2010, 08:43:51 am »
I haven't tried it yet, but Eclipse just isn't working out for you?

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137392#msg137392
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2010, 09:46:03 am »
I haven't tried it yet, but Eclipse just isn't working out for you?
Eclipse works okay with it but isn't that great. Most decks would only use 2 eclipses so finding them can be a problem and unless you run it with towers you won't get them out until turn 5 at the earliest. I've been messing around with both of the other scorpions and like them much better.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137546#msg137546
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2010, 02:52:58 pm »
I haven't tried it yet, but Eclipse just isn't working out for you?
Eclipse can be destyoyed and then you're back to 0 attack and at 3 :darkness it takes a while to get another if you're using this off the mark.

In the time it takes to get quanto from the mark to play eclipse (3 turns), it is possible for a fire rush to have beaten you without you putting out any damage.  You could use momentum, but that has much better synergy with Dune scorpion than with deathstalker.  Once

What recommendations do people have for possible buffs?  So far I've seen +1 attack and 3 poison counters, any more suggestions?

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137553#msg137553
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2010, 03:00:57 pm »
All buffs to it become permanent?

Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137623#msg137623
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2010, 05:03:27 pm »
Ive used it in some decks that i made for tests and it does horrible in them. It does need a buff.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137711#msg137711
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2010, 06:45:49 pm »
I haven't tried it yet, but Eclipse just isn't working out for you?
Eclipse can be destyoyed and then you're back to 0 attack and at 3 :darkness it takes a while to get another if you're using this off the mark.

In the time it takes to get quanto from the mark to play eclipse (3 turns), it is possible for a fire rush to have beaten you without you putting out any damage.  You could use momentum, but that has much better synergy with Dune scorpion than with deathstalker.  Once
Nightfall is 3 :darkness quanta and Eclipse is 4 :darkness quanta. And you are skipping a turn since you don't generate any :darkness quanta on turn 1 if you just use the mark. So it really takes much longer to get a nightfall or eclipse out and that's if you are lucky enough to draw it.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137732#msg137732
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 07:26:00 pm »
I totally agree. You have to use some kind of weird combination of cards to amke this work. My eclipse works well on it, but I'm not guarenteed of getting one in my hand.

I say either +1 attack or even +1|+1

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg137761#msg137761
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2010, 08:01:59 pm »
Deathstalker got its cost reduced to 2 :death. After more testing this card in live enviroment, there are games where I'd take this card over some other cards -> practically ONLY in stall vs stall deck.

Now lets see... This card requires combo. As there are 4 types of buff for this card, you have to go duo with one of those 4 elements. I wouldnt usually mind this, its okay to have some cards that require predefined combos to work, but... the effect just seems weak. 2 poison is not really wow, especially when considered how vulnerable 2 card combos are to control.

In comparison to other scorpions:
Forest + Adrenaline combo does 2 poison, and its cards are in the same element, and you dont really NEED that combo; scorpion applies poison out of the box.
Dune requires combo like Deathstalker, but you only really need ONE application of its poison. As long as Purify is the only counter to poison, you dont have to care about your Dune Scorpios being CCed after he does its thing.

Overall, we can say Deathstalker has its uses. I just find it weak, and wrong that DEATH scorpion is so weak in applying poison. Maybe I'm biased a bit here, but IMO it should hurt when :death applies poison, much more than when :life or :time or :water applies poison. :death is a home element of poison.

I'd vote for it to apply 3 poison per hit, and leave it to require combo to hit.

If Adrenaline is the problem after 3 poison counter (which I really doubt; 3 cards from 3 elements to setup), then just dont make it possible to apply more poison I guess.

Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg138026#msg138026
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2010, 01:48:25 am »
i think that the upped card should do damage but not the non upped because then it would crush the forest scorpion.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=11177.msg138068#msg138068
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2010, 02:36:24 am »
I also think this card should add 3 poison, that way you still need something powering it like the Dune Scorpion.

 

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