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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg267157#msg267157
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 07:57:24 pm »
For once, the Ruby Dragon is the strongest bitch around in Elements. In PvP, almost everyone is using CC like Owl's Eye, Firestorm, Thunderbolt or Fire Lance, each of which deals 3 or more damage. This'd knock the normal Crimson Dragon out already, so why shouldn't it kill the Ruby Dragon as well? If you don't want your precious creature to be killed, buff it.

Even without any defense, it's still one beast of a creature. I think I don't need to mention its synergies with TU and Sky Blitz, right? That makes a whole lot of damage (Skyblitz+one Ruby makes 30 damage..).

Can you give me one strong reason why this should be underpowered? "Man, ignore it's the strongest bitch, my baby can actually get killed!!" sounds pretty weak tbh. 
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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg267162#msg267162
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 08:03:05 pm »
It's also worth noting that even with it's supposed UPness, Crimson is still the second most used unupped dragon and Ruby is the third most used upped dragon.

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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg268177#msg268177
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2011, 04:11:14 pm »
Well this game is all about tradeoffs.  15 attack is huge in the context of a 100 hp game.  Yeah, they die easily, but even on a suicide shot they do 15 damage; this happens to be more than any other card in the game.  3 rubies with sky blitz do a whopping 90 damage in one shot.  This cards is pure unadulterated beat stick and as such it makes sense that it has but 2 hp.  :fire's MO is high attack and low hp and no card personifies this more than the ruby dragon.  This card is perfectly fine.

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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg268221#msg268221
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2011, 06:14:34 pm »
really the only problem i have with it is the cost. ice dragon has the same buff when upped and it only goes up in price by 1. a small reduce in cost wouldn't knock it out of balance.

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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg268235#msg268235
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2011, 06:54:00 pm »
Why do I even try explaining stuff? It's like we're moving in circles, because everyone's a bitch and won't read other posts except for maybe the first.

really the only problem i have with it is the cost. ice dragon has the same buff when upped and it only goes up in price by 1. a small reduce in cost wouldn't knock it out of balance.
Ice Dragon(9|6,10 :water) to Arctic Dragon(13|5,11 :water)
Crimson Dragon(12|3,10 :fire) to Ruby Dragon(15|2,10 :fire)

Actually the Arctic Dragon gets +4 attack and -1 defense for a cost increase of 1 while the Ruby Dragon gets +3 attack and -1 defense for a cost increase of 2. But why is that okay? It's simple, actually it was stated times before in this thread. 15 is greater than 13.

Let us just look at one example:

3 Ruby Dragons = 45 damage a turn
3 Arctic Dragons = 39 damage a turn

3 Ruby Dragons + Sky Blitz = 90 damage
3 Arctic Dragons + Sky Blitz = 78 damage

The difference is significant, and additionaly, you can compare it to RoL/Hope. Why do you use Light Dragons over Angels? Angels aren't affected much by CC and are cheaper (Angel: 6 for 7 damage+ability; Dragon: 13 for 12 damage+vanilla). But dragons almost have the strength of 2 angels in one creature, and that's the point.

To put it in a nutshell: If it makes a big boom on your enemy, it equally makes more boom on your quanta.
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Re: Crimson Dragon | Ruby Dragon https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19249.msg268433#msg268433
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2011, 11:52:54 pm »
3 pages without evidence to support a Buff.
Outdown more than 2:1 on the poll denied
Crimson Dragon is Currently Ranked Usage 33/202
Ruby Dragon is Currently Ranked Usage 102/202
So is not Underused.

No Buff Required. Topic Locked.

 

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