[Official] Colossal Dragon | Massive Dragon

[TheForbiddenOracle]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Well Armagio is still over it in terms of Rage Potioning and Accelerating/Overdriving

[Flayne]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Well Armagio is still over it in terms of Rage Potioning and Accelerating/Overdriving

when upgraded it isnt that much. they both have 30 hp when upgrading , in this case collosal dragon is over it in terms of power, it would be even more if it wasnt for the cost.
but that in itself doesnt need a buff.

[Ekki]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Well Armagio is still over it in terms of Rage Potioning and Accelerating/Overdriving

when upgraded it isnt that much. they both have 30 hp when upgrading , in this case collosal dragon is over it in terms of power, it would be even more if it wasnt for the cost.
but that in itself doesnt need a buff.

Actually, I think Colossal Dragon is less UP than Massive Dragon... They both are balanced in the atk/hp/cost thingy, but Massive Dragon's niche is the same as Armagio's, thus that +15 hp makes it unneccessarily more expensive. Colossal Dragon is awesome with Acceleration/Overdrive, and a Colossal Dragon/Acceleration deck does better against RT than an Armagio/Acceleration one, because the Dragons doesn't need the Acceleration to deal damage.
Whatever, Massive Dragon could have 20 hp and get his cost reduced by 1 , as to have a niche on his own (semi-high hp and semi-high atk).

Also, any card that buffs hp would need to take in account atk too to buff this dragon. Otherwise it would end the same as ever, Armagio overshadows it... Acceleration is a clear example of a buff to this Dragon, and I think it just need a minor buff, and maybe what I said of making it 8|20 and costing 10

[Flayne]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Well Armagio is still over it in terms of Rage Potioning and Accelerating/Overdriving

when upgraded it isnt that much. they both have 30 hp when upgrading , in this case collosal dragon is over it in terms of power, it would be even more if it wasnt for the cost.
but that in itself doesnt need a buff.

Actually, I think Colossal Dragon is less UP than Massive Dragon... They both are balanced in the atk/hp/cost thingy, but Massive Dragon's niche is the same as Armagio's, thus that +15 hp makes it unneccessarily more expensive. Colossal Dragon is awesome with Acceleration/Overdrive, and a Colossal Dragon/Acceleration deck does better against RT than an Armagio/Acceleration one, because the Dragons doesn't need the Acceleration to deal damage.
Whatever, Massive Dragon could have 20 hp and get his cost reduced by 1 , as to have a niche on his own (semi-high hp and semi-high atk).

Also, any card that buffs hp would need to take in account atk too to buff this dragon. Otherwise it would end the same as ever, Armagio overshadows it... Acceleration is a clear example of a buff to this Dragon, and I think it just need a minor buff, and maybe what I said of making it 8|20 and costing 10

well, when i think of Golden dragon, I say perhaps it may need a teensy-tiny buff of perhaps its attack power or cost lowering. But certainly NOT both attack rise and cost lowering, imo, its one or the other.

[GG]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Other dragons function very well EVEN WITHOUT any auxilary cards.

[Flayne]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Other dragons function very well EVEN WITHOUT any auxilary cards.

yeah, colossal dragon has 30 hp when upped, whats your point?

[killybob]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Other dragons function very well EVEN WITHOUT any auxilary cards.

yeah, colossal dragon has 30 hp when upped, whats your point?

her point is, i believe, that dragons are really meant to be perfect on their own and not need back up cards to power them.

[Flayne]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Other dragons function very well EVEN WITHOUT any auxilary cards.

yeah, colossal dragon has 30 hp when upped, whats your point?

her point is, i believe, that dragons are really meant to be perfect on their own and not need back up cards to power them.

Thats the point of this thread, we all know that.
My point is that collosal dragon when upped has 30 hp, it cant be killed as easily as the other dragons by physical means.
most of the dragons can be killed with two lightnings, some with two firebolts, there are three that cant be killed easily, colossal dragon, phase dragon and golden dragon. the rest are easier to kill.
therefore, this dragon works perfectly as it already is, with its 12 hp unupped and huge 30 hp when upped.
acceleration is the cherry on top of the cake.

[OldTrees]

imo, With acceleration in the game, Its not very necessary to give collosal dragon a buff.

Other dragons function very well EVEN WITHOUT any auxilary cards.

yeah, colossal dragon has 30 hp when upped, whats your point?

her point is, i believe, that dragons are really meant to be perfect on their own and not need back up cards to power them.

Thats the point of this thread, we all know that.
My point is that collosal dragon when upped has 30 hp, it cant be killed as easily as the other dragons by physical means.
most of the dragons can be killed with two lightnings, some with two firebolts, there are three that cant be killed easily, colossal dragon, phase dragon and golden dragon. the rest are easier to kill.
therefore, this dragon works perfectly as it already is, with its 12 hp unupped and huge 30 hp when upped.
acceleration is the cherry on top of the cake.

It is true that Massive dragon is more resilient than Golden Dragon.
(This does not entail balance but is an indicator that balance is possible)
It is true that Golden dragon is not overshadowed by Archangel
It is true that Massive dragon is overshadowed by Elite Armagio or Elite Charger (depending on the tactic)
Hence Massive Dragon is UP but can be balanced.

Solution: Change Massive Dragon to 8|15 for 9 .
(this is obviously balanced because it uses a simple +1atk, -1CC upgrade modifier from Colossal Dragon)

[TStar]

It is true that Massive dragon is more resilient than Golden Dragon.
(This does not entail balance but is an indicator that balance is possible)
It is true that Golden dragon is not overshadowed by Archangel
It is true that Massive dragon is overshadowed by Elite Armagio or Elite Charger (depending on the tactic)
Hence Massive Dragon is UP but can be balanced.

Solution: Change Massive Dragon to 8|15 for 9 .
(this is obviously balanced because it uses a simple +1atk, -1CC upgrade modifier from Colossal Dragon)

How would you change the unupped version then, as it is currently 7|15 for 10 , or would you simply leave it unchanged and make the upped version +1 attack, -1 cost?  And if you lower the unupped stats and cost, would that fit with the apparent theme of unupped dragons costing at least 10 quanta?

[OldTrees]

It is true that Massive dragon is more resilient than Golden Dragon.
(This does not entail balance but is an indicator that balance is possible)
It is true that Golden dragon is not overshadowed by Archangel
It is true that Massive dragon is overshadowed by Elite Armagio or Elite Charger (depending on the tactic)
Hence Massive Dragon is UP but can be balanced.

Solution: Change Massive Dragon to 8|15 for 9 .
(this is obviously balanced because it uses a simple +1atk, -1CC upgrade modifier from Colossal Dragon)

How would you change the unupped version then, as it is currently 7|15 for 10 , or would you simply leave it unchanged and make the upped version +1 attack, -1 cost?  And if you lower the unupped stats and cost, would that fit with the apparent theme of unupped dragons costing at least 10 quanta?

I consider the unupped to be balanced.

[jmdt]

I consider the unupped to be balanced.

Yes and no.  The unupped dragon makes a terrible catapult target with its current hp.  I'd like to see the unupped dragon with 25 hp like armagio.  As is unupped dragon is a terrible attacker, terrible catapult target and terrible gravity pull target.  Higher hp fixes the last 2 for the most part.

Without gining the dragon an effect or reducing its cost, there is really no other way to improve it.  It needs 1 less attack than Basalt, which itself is somewhat weak, and it will always be 3rd in pecking order of catapult targets unless it gets like 40 hp since armagio is strictly better.