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[Official] Cockatrice | Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476035#msg476035
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:25:30 pm »


Ok, so, the Cockatrice is something found to be somewhat useful, as a vanilla Life card, but wait, isn't there already a vanilla Life card? Yes! That would be the horned frog. The Cockatrice is left in the dust by the horned frog's synergy with adrenaline, and better with fractal and mitosis. So, what does this person suggest? The ability to produce...FATE EGGS!!! A cockatrice looks like a chicken, so it would only make sense that it could lay them!

I suggest that by giving it the ability to produce fate eggs directly onto the field, say 2 to 3  :time , it could generate a good synergy between Time and Life! Who doesn't love more availability? Elite Cockatrice would of course lay Elite Fate Eggs, and I say the ATK and DEF increase should be taken away because of it. This of course may lead to the increase of  :life cost, but I think it could be worth it!
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476044#msg476044
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 11:45:58 pm »
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476048#msg476048
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 11:53:04 pm »
Making cockatrices poop out fate eggs is completely unnecessary. I actually like the idea that :life has more than one vanilla card.
As far as unupped cards go, cockatrice costs 1 more than frog, but gets +1|+1 which is alright, considering how having 4hp puts it out of quite a few CC cards. Upped, well upped cockatrices are a bit overshadowed by frogs. They still cost more 1 more than frog, but they only gain +2hp over frogs. Really? Extra cost for only extra health?

The formula for cost should be atk+1(if hp >5)-1 for life. Frog and cockatrice fit this nicely.
However, upped, frog has 5atk-1life=4, but it only costs 2, so we can assume the upped factor makes it 2 cheaper than it should be. In that case, cockatrice should cost 2 as well, but it costs three. If elite cockatrice got a +1hp boost, that'd be much better, since 6hp means that it can survive nearly any single CC as well as help to distinguish it from frog. I'd also like it if the name elite cockatrice was changed to something like basilisk.

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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476061#msg476061
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 12:14:24 am »
Though I like the existence of vanilla creature in each element, once you've got too many it just becomes a question of quanta efficiency and speed, where in each category 1 card will outdo its vanilla brethren.

I do however think that the Cockatrice is often overshadowed by the on-element synergies :life Life has with the Horned Frog. :life Life shouldn't be too concerned with CC in the first place. It, as an element flaunts its ability to dish out creatures faster than most elements can handle.

I would also like to make a point that the Cockatrice is not supposed to look like a chicken, and while I know that there are other misleading card images in the game, the Spore creations will hopefully be phased out for more accurate artwork.

The Cockatrice is not known to have 0 abilities. It's known for its deadly petrifying gaze. This is what inspired me to produce the following possibility of a slight buff for :life Life. Since it can whip out creatures easily, why not have some way to use those creatures in another way? To manipulate their life essence, if you will:



This allows :life Life and :earth Earth to have a bit more synergy and enhances the stalling and defensive nature of :earth Earth with the healing and bountiful natures of :life Life.

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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476125#msg476125
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 03:49:37 am »
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would also like to make a point that the Cockatrice is not supposed to look like a chicken, and while I know that there are other misleading card images in the game, the Spore creations will hopefully be phased out for more accurate artwork.
Actually, no matter how many times I look at this card, I still think it's some kind of weird, fatty bird.

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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476136#msg476136
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 04:20:22 am »
It's good to realize that is not a chicken, that you for setting me straight.
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476221#msg476221
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 11:08:47 am »
I like this idea. It has very good synergy with Mitosis, also would be neat to make Quantum towers from Malignant Cells. Since it only targets friendly creatures, it still seems balanced without a cost increase/stat nerf.

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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476225#msg476225
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2012, 11:18:23 am »
I like this idea. It has very good synergy with Mitosis, also would be neat to make Quantum towers from Malignant Cells. Since it only targets friendly creatures, it still seems balanced without a cost increase/stat nerf.
Now that i'm thinking about it, the "friendly" part seems a bit off. But true, for balance's sake, so this won't be an instant kill CC. Like.
As an alternative, change the name to Cockatrice | Basilisk, and have the effect similar to BB, maybe weaker. I mean, they -are- the same Basilisk, right?
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg476496#msg476496
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 12:56:49 am »
Now that i'm thinking about it, the "friendly" part seems a bit off. But true, for balance's sake, so this won't be an instant kill CC. Like.
As an alternative, change the name to Cockatrice | Basilisk, and have the effect similar to BB, maybe weaker. I mean, they -are- the same Basilisk, right?
I had exactly that in mind. But then when you look at :earth Earth's Nymph...
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg497268#msg497268
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2012, 06:33:27 pm »
I am a  :life player and I prefer Elite Cockatrices over Giant Frogs. You guys think this card needs to be buffed, I say it is perfect as it is.
Why does a 5|3 life creature cost 2 :life quanta (Giant Frog) while a 5|5 life creature costs 3 :life quanta? Because of this +0|+2 buff in health of course! That makes Elite Cockatrice to survive the Sniper ability of Owl's Eye, the paradox ability of Maxwell's Deamon, the Cockatral decks survive a Rain of Fire (which is a widely used  :fire spell) while the Frogtal decks die instantly because of it, and the list is still going. The fact it is a tough vanilla creature can even help with Luciferin-Hope decks. Cokcatrice isn't UP at all.
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg497277#msg497277
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2012, 06:50:09 pm »
No, Elite Cockatrice is pretty UP. It is more durable than the frog, but increased durability only resists a fraction of CC.
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Re: Cockatrice|Elite Cockatrice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37933.msg497315#msg497315
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2012, 08:13:30 pm »
No, Elite Cockatrice is pretty UP. It is more durable than the frog, but increased durability only resists a fraction of CC.
+1 :life isn't worth +2 HP
It quite well worth it in this case. 3 :life are obtained pretty easy and more health resist a BIG fraction of CC. Poison, Fire Shield, Thorn Carpace, Rain of Fire, Thunderstorm, Unstable Gas, Ice Bolt, Fire Bolt, Drain Life, there are numberous examples of this and my personal favorite is the immunity to Maxwell's Deamon ability as long as the Cockatrice doesn't take damage. It is also good with Luciferin-Hope, as I've said already, since it is vanilla and pretty resistant to damage dealing CC, it is also more worthy to give Mitosis to an Elite Cockatrice rather than a Giant Frog, since Frogs are fragile and the "mother" may not live long enough to produce a lot of daughter creatures, while Elite Cockatrice "mother" creature will take some damage before falling. The only damage dealing CC spells that kill Cockatrice instantly are Rage Potion and Lightning.
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